If you have real examples of scientists bullying scientists, let me know. Bullying is horrible and should not be condoned.
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Just saw this poster in
@OUHospitals and it reminded me of this interaction. Curious what you think.pic.twitter.com/6S5H0wIhYo
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I thought it was interesting b/c shifts focus away from actions of victims but still sends message that bullies not tolerated.
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No idea whether that actually helps...
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It's good to consider whether one is a bully. But then again bully and victim are not mutually exclusive categories.
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Bullies should be held accountable of course. It's just very complex — I believe that case-by-case basis is the only way that makes sense.
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Which is why that's how it's done in practice too, one reports a case or series of incidents. Altho ofc in practise bad things happen too...
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I think speaking generally about how "bullying is bad" is obviously fine but it's basically a truism that no bully would dare disagree with.
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This is why talking without examples about such issues e.g., bigotry, abuse, doesn't really work. Perpetrators won't voice disagreement.
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However, there are serious issues with asking survivors of abuse in general to do all or most of the legwork.
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Very true.
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