Incidentally, I haven't come across an English speaker yet who can pronounce Van Gogh's name. Or even come near.https://twitter.com/Villavelius/status/752759224099336192 …
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when does the original pronunciation stop counting?
I hear Thucydides from English speakers. 
.@o_guest Feel free to pronounce any way you like. After all, the Dutch say 'Engeland', which, if taken literally, means 'scary country' :-)
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