Also this idea of a diversity has been phrased so many different ways by so many. As have the ideas that open science should prioritise diversities of all kinds, or buffets!https://twitter.com/rossdavism/status/1138441421143400453 …
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Also this idea of a diversity has been phrased so many different ways by so many. As have the ideas that open science should prioritise diversities of all kinds, or buffets!https://twitter.com/rossdavism/status/1138441421143400453 …
can you elaborate on your concern? I also didn't review the history of people equating open science with metascience, or public critique, or any of the other elements I mention. it's a short position post that expresses views that, to judge by twitter, are extremely commonplace.
if you think there's value in adding a disclaimer at the top of the post saying "none of these ideas are new, and virtually all have been expressed hundreds of thousands of times by many people in many settings", I'm happy to—though I think it's pretty obvious from the context.
and regarding the specific things you cite, I was not at the OHBM open science symposium, and didn't see @kirstie_j's talk. I think Kirstie does great work on this, but so do any number of other people. my post was not a historical review; I simply *listed* different elements.
and I am sure @daniellecrobins also does amazing work, but I'm fairly certain your tweet is the first time I've come across her, so it would have been hard to credit her even if my post *was* an overview of diversity efforts (which, again, it was not).
Sure add the disclaimer. Up to you.
well, if it's up to me, I won't, because I think it's pretty obvious from the context. but I'm willing to do it if other people think it adds value and prevents misunderstanding. do you think it would add value?
Yes and no. Ultimately it's about being open about what you're presenting as your or "your" ideas. If you think everything you've written about in that blog post is derivative or has already been said then maybe there's a value in making that clear.
do you think anyone reading my post is at risk of coming away thinking "Yarkoni introduced the idea that diversity is part of open science," given that the context diversity comes up in is a list of things that people are currently using open science to refer to?
If I was to use the umberella slide in a talk (it’s a great slide), what would be the appropriate citation for it? It’s unattributed on @kirsty_j’s slides, but seems to originate from @daniellecrobins’ slides, which credit it to a Berlin Open Science Meet up.
I can find a sketch on the Berlin Open Science meet up page that’s credited to a Julien Colomb. Are they the right person to cite?
The citation is at the bottom of the picture! The two names and the Berlin Meetup.
It isn’t cited for that on your slides, which is what I was confused by, I think. But thanks for the clarification.
Yep - I missed it on those slides
. It’s a typo on my end because I’ve cited that slide loads of times:
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1aZsggPkRrdLw_QSmvKA2z3OdIdx0TZg7GxeZtK_3ycQ …
https://doi.org/10.6084/m9.figshare.7564682 …
https://doi.org/10.6084/m9.figshare.6025652 …
You can actually find a published text by IGDORE distinguishing open science from replicable science through a brief history lesson. I've also given 2 talks on it to Indonesian researchers. Would have been extremely surprised though to see my name referred to in that blog post.
AND I raised this issue during a hackathon at SIPS 2017, arguing that we should include a brief history lesson in the open science curriculum we were creating. (The idea was disregarded.)
So when I yesterday read @talyarkoni's blog post I thought "well, OK, good that someone with more impact manage to reach through; now I might be able to make the paper I'm working on even better & more focused, building on Tal's blog post".
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