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    1. Danielle Navarro‏ @djnavarro Jul 10
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      At the risk of using the dreaded word, I think it's partly a matter of "tone", and taking care to understand the lives of the other people in or listening to the conversation. There aren't many situations in scientific disagreement where anger is appropriate... (1/n) 😬

      1 reply 7 retweets 28 likes
    2. Danielle Navarro‏ @djnavarro Jul 10
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      Replying to @djnavarro @JRISundvall and

      In order to take the heat out of this, I'll use my own life as an example. In some situations in my life, I am genuinely abused... "tranny", "shemale", "ladydick", "dude in a dress", etc, I have to live with this, and I am somewhat intemperate when I encounter it. (2/n)

      1 reply 1 retweet 17 likes
    3. Danielle Navarro‏ @djnavarro Jul 10
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      Replying to @djnavarro @JRISundvall and

      I sometimes lash out, and then people tell me to calm down. Okay that's actual "tone policing". I have so many fears about going out in public because what I am, and for people to be dismissive about that pain and anger is really inappropriate. But... (3/n)

      1 reply 1 retweet 21 likes
    4. Danielle Navarro‏ @djnavarro Jul 10
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      Replying to @djnavarro @JRISundvall and

      Scientific disagreement is different. People don't agree with my opinions on preregistration, or Bayes factors, or the role of computational modelling. That happens a lot too. In *those* cases, it's not okay for me to be angry at disagreement, so long as it's civil. (4/n)

      1 reply 1 retweet 33 likes
    5. Danielle Navarro‏ @djnavarro Jul 10
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      Replying to @djnavarro @JRISundvall and

      Danielle Navarro Retweeted Danielle Navarro

      We seem to have reached the point in the #openscience community where we cannot draw the distinction between these cases. The result is that things like this happen: (5/n)https://twitter.com/djnavarro/status/1147595780087136256 …

      Danielle Navarro added,

      Danielle Navarro @djnavarro
      A very normal sentence, written by a respected member of the psych methods community: "Publication bias is in the category of not letting women vote, or gay people get married." I guess I could waste my time trying to explain how spectacularly hideous this comparison is, but... pic.twitter.com/i4qrJh74F2
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    6. Danielle Navarro‏ @djnavarro Jul 10
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      Replying to @djnavarro @JRISundvall and

      There is a general culture of mockery and belittling, one in which it's considered okay to viciously denounce p-hacking by others as the worst of scientific crimes, while simultaneously getting very, very aggressive whenever anyone takes a different view (6/n)

      1 reply 2 retweets 38 likes
    7. Danielle Navarro‏ @djnavarro Jul 10
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      Replying to @djnavarro @JRISundvall and

      Pushback against this mockery is usually met with *senior* people in the community either defending the aggressiveness, as though it falls under the banner of normal scientific disagreement. I don't think it does, and worse, the effect of normalising anger is systematic. (7/n)

      1 reply 2 retweets 37 likes
    8. Danielle Navarro‏ @djnavarro Jul 10
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      Replying to @djnavarro @JRISundvall and

      Not everyone has the luxury of being "allowed" to be angry on the internet. If I get too angry I open myself up to attacks from transphobes and bigots. There are entire websites that exist to screenshot, dox, and mock trans women (google KiwiFarms if you like) (8/n)

      1 reply 2 retweets 35 likes
    9. Danielle Navarro‏ @djnavarro Jul 10
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      Replying to @djnavarro @JRISundvall and

      So not everyone has the opportunity to participate in these discussions on an equal footing. Ultimately, if you want an inclusive culture, I think the leaders of a community need to be the ones doing the work in curtailing nastiness and leaving space for others to speak. (9/n)

      1 reply 1 retweet 41 likes
    10. Danielle Navarro‏ @djnavarro Jul 10
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      Replying to @djnavarro @JRISundvall and

      I don't believe that this has happened in the reform community. If anything, the opposite has happened, with a few voices dominating, sometimes the most aggressive. I think it's a pity, but I'm on the fringes of this community. I'm not sure my opinion counts for much (10/10)

      5 replies 2 retweets 34 likes
      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jul 10
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      Replying to @djnavarro @JRISundvall and

      Here's to hoping this is the last time we/you have to make this point online to this group of people.

      9:59 PM - 10 Jul 2019
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      1 reply 0 retweets 9 likes
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        2. Danielle Navarro‏ @djnavarro Jul 10
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          Replying to @o_guest @JRISundvall and

          I hope so.pic.twitter.com/5GHDYKDBh3

          1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
        3. Jason M.T. Roos‏ @jmtroos Jul 11
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          Replying to @djnavarro @o_guest and

          I know it’s a lot to ask, but when you have the energy to do it, there’s a lot of good that comes from you making this point. I’m learning from this thread, and it’s not a perspective I think I’d have thought of on my own. So thanks, and sorry, and please.

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