The only criticism of @thecarpentries process is that the response has to go through a LOT of emails/people/discussion before anything can be acted upon. If I were using the code of conduct I would give much more power to local people to enforce as early as possible.
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Replying to @kirstie_j @o_guest and
I don’t think it’s a problem of corner cases, the code of conduct gives power for many actions *and others* but the safety committee has to be willing to make strong decisions quickly and - in contrast to the legal system - NOT based on precedent.
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Replying to @kirstie_j @WrightingApril and
Depends on the legal system! But yes, I absolutely agree.
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Replying to @o_guest @kirstie_j and
The reason I mentioned legal system is just that in every crime or offense it doesn't just go "you did a theft, now prison" — it actually gets discussed and different sentences are given based off a CoC-type thing (the law).
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Replying to @o_guest @WrightingApril and
Ah! Gotcha. I have a bit of a strong response to comments about legal systems around codes of conduct because one of the things I say A LOT is that you don’t need one for things that are illegal!! >
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Replying to @kirstie_j @o_guest and
< Sexual harassment and physical abuse are - in many countries (but not all) illegal. Conference organisers don’t need a code of conduct to report people to the police. They DO need a code of conduct to support the most vulnerable people by deplatforming the most toxic people.
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Replying to @kirstie_j @WrightingApril and
I feel you. I think it's about understanding the audience too. If you already all agree that a CoC is the bare minimum that one needs to do, then you start to realise the hard part is actually enforcing it and communicating it clearly and most importantly:
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Replying to @o_guest @kirstie_j and
no matter what system is used (a CoC plus more) those who are protected ostensibly are protected actually. People who bend the CoC are not inline with the spirit of it even if they are inline with the letter of it (another useful legal concept here!) and should be dealt with.
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Replying to @o_guest @WrightingApril and
Totally agree. The hard work is getting people on board and all agreeing what that means. Not putting some text on a website and getting all proud of yourself


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Replying to @kirstie_j @WrightingApril and
Realising that nobody coming forward with a violation of the CoC might mean nothing. Because even at one of the conference we are lauding as having an excellent CoC there were violations I discussed with people who were those affected negatively and they didn't go forward.
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Again, it's nobody's fault — most likely — they didn't go forward! Society at large has effects on how people behave at conferences.
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