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    1. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 30
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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ Retweeted Dan Simpson

      Social Psych 1999: There’s an effect called Dunning-Kruger. Incompetent ppl are unable to recognize their own incompetence. SP 2011: Uh oh. We’ve a replication crisis. Maybe we’ve been doing stats wrongly? SP 2019: We don’t need expert statisticians to help us fix our subfield.https://twitter.com/dan_p_simpson/status/1145219937100865536 …

      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ added,

      Dan Simpson @dan_p_simpson
      Replying to @dan_p_simpson @shravanvasishth
      End of story for me is that there is no field like psych for having a bunch of people confidently telling you wrong things a lot statistics. And no other field has a leader saying “we don’t need experts in statistics”. So why fucking bother? I am certainly not going to.
      6 replies 23 retweets 123 likes
    2. Candace Lapan‏ @CandaceLapan Jun 30
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      Replying to @o_guest

      This conversation has gotten very far from where it started tho (textbook study & tweet about teaching). Psychologists don't need statisticians to take over teaching intro stats to undergrads. More complex things, of course ppl shouldn't do or teach stats they don't understand.

      2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
    3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 30
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      Replying to @CandaceLapan

      I don't know. I think it would be nice to have stats people teach undergraduate stats. It all depends.

      2 replies 1 retweet 4 likes
    4. Berna D.‏ @zerdeve Jun 30
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      Replying to @o_guest @CandaceLapan

      At my uni stats profs teach undergrad stats to all majors. I think it’s good for our students. Though ofc not everyone is a good teacher, that’s aside from area expertise.

      3 replies 1 retweet 9 likes
    5. Thom Baguley‏ @seriousstats Jul 3
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      Replying to @zerdeve @o_guest @CandaceLapan

      I've known cases where it has worked out terribly. Generally in the UK service teaching to other departments is low status and historically offloaded to the worst teachers (you save your best teachers for your own students).

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    6. Berna D.‏ @zerdeve Jul 3
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      Replying to @seriousstats @o_guest @CandaceLapan

      I think the problem there is academics’ overall approach to service and terrible incentive structures. My institution assigns best stats teachers to service teaching and that pays off.

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    7. Thom Baguley‏ @seriousstats Jul 3
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      Replying to @zerdeve @o_guest @CandaceLapan

      That is refreshing. Generally what matters is how something is taught less than who - you can appoint psychologists with good stats skills and be successful also. Generally you need people with a foot in both camps (e.g., statisticians with good knowledge of the application area)

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    8. Lincoln Colling‏ @Lincoln81 Jul 3
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      Replying to @seriousstats @zerdeve and

      My 2 cents (as somebody that teaches stats). I don’t think you need a PhD in stats to teach undergrads in psych depts. However, just having a psych PhD doesn’t equip you either. I think it’s a specialist role and I think depts should look to appoint specialist stats lecturers

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    9. Lincoln Colling‏ @Lincoln81 Jul 3
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      Replying to @Lincoln81 @seriousstats and

      I also don’t think you can seperate stats teaching and phil of sci. I think phil of sci (and phil of psych) teaching is missing in a lot of depts and the ideal (I think, without a hint of bias 😉) is somebody that can combine stats and phil of sci in the context of psych.

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    10. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jul 3
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      Replying to @Lincoln81 @seriousstats and

      I don't know about others but I sometimes think that the "research methods" module that we teach in r UK at all levels from UG to MSc should be split into further stuff like a separate stats module, a separate experimental design module, a separate scientific writing module.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jul 3
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      Replying to @o_guest @Lincoln81 and

      I always meet North American graduates and they know so much more.

      12:48 PM - 3 Jul 2019
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        2. Lincoln Colling‏ @Lincoln81 Jul 3
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          Replying to @o_guest @seriousstats and

          my experience of UK unis is restricted to Cambridge, but I don’t think the students here spend nearly enough time on it. I’m hoping its just a feature of the compressed structure here and that at other unis the students get a little more

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jul 3
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          Replying to @Lincoln81 @seriousstats and

          Have experience of teaching both first and second hand at quite a few UK unis from Oxford to Birkbeck... it's sadly the norm.

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