Social Psych 1999: There’s an effect called Dunning-Kruger. Incompetent ppl are unable to recognize their own incompetence. SP 2011: Uh oh. We’ve a replication crisis. Maybe we’ve been doing stats wrongly? SP 2019: We don’t need expert statisticians to help us fix our subfield.https://twitter.com/dan_p_simpson/status/1145219937100865536 …
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Replying to @o_guest
This conversation has gotten very far from where it started tho (textbook study & tweet about teaching). Psychologists don't need statisticians to take over teaching intro stats to undergrads. More complex things, of course ppl shouldn't do or teach stats they don't understand.
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Replying to @CandaceLapan
I don't know. I think it would be nice to have stats people teach undergraduate stats. It all depends.
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Replying to @o_guest @CandaceLapan
At my uni stats profs teach undergrad stats to all majors. I think it’s good for our students. Though ofc not everyone is a good teacher, that’s aside from area expertise.
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I've known cases where it has worked out terribly. Generally in the UK service teaching to other departments is low status and historically offloaded to the worst teachers (you save your best teachers for your own students).
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I think the problem there is academics’ overall approach to service and terrible incentive structures. My institution assigns best stats teachers to service teaching and that pays off.
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That is refreshing. Generally what matters is how something is taught less than who - you can appoint psychologists with good stats skills and be successful also. Generally you need people with a foot in both camps (e.g., statisticians with good knowledge of the application area)
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Replying to @seriousstats @zerdeve and
My 2 cents (as somebody that teaches stats). I don’t think you need a PhD in stats to teach undergrads in psych depts. However, just having a psych PhD doesn’t equip you either. I think it’s a specialist role and I think depts should look to appoint specialist stats lecturers
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Replying to @Lincoln81 @seriousstats and
I also don’t think you can seperate stats teaching and phil of sci. I think phil of sci (and phil of psych) teaching is missing in a lot of depts and the ideal (I think, without a hint of bias
) is somebody that can combine stats and phil of sci in the context of psych.1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
I don't know about others but I sometimes think that the "research methods" module that we teach in r UK at all levels from UG to MSc should be split into further stuff like a separate stats module, a separate experimental design module, a separate scientific writing module.
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Replying to @o_guest @Lincoln81 and
I always meet North American graduates and they know so much more.
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