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    1. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij Jun 30
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      Iris van Rooij Retweeted Dan Simpson

      This is the real problem in psych IMHO: people wants recipes. That is what caused the problems originally, and what is perpetuated in the reform, just new recipes for disaster.https://twitter.com/dan_p_simpson/status/1145209207265751041 …

      Iris van Rooij added,

      Dan Simpson @dan_p_simpson
      It is hard to teach details (it’s not subtle so it’s not a subtlety) to people who want a recipe + result = outcome-type thing and the new conversations in social psych are definitely talking about that and that is excellent.
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    2. J. Vandekerckhove  ☕‏ @VandekerckhoveJ Jun 30
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij

      I think it's also the experience most people have with stats: as a multiple-choice problem where the answer is a matter of picking the right off-the-shelf analysis, rather than a logical problem you can tackle from first principles

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    3. J. Vandekerckhove  ☕‏ @VandekerckhoveJ Jun 30
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      Replying to @VandekerckhoveJ @IrisVanRooij

      The decision trees you get in intro research methods class don't help either

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    4. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij Jun 30
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      I know. I have "enjoyed" this type of education as student myself. It took a training in philosophy and theoretical computer science to snap out of the idea that recipes are even possible.

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    5. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij Jun 30
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij @VandekerckhoveJ

      My point in the OP is that the fundamental desire has not changed, and thus that the root of the problem remains, and we (will) just see that same problems come back in new forms. We saw it already in the discussion about preregistration.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 30
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij @VandekerckhoveJ

      It's a problem with teaching, starts very early in life with Maths... see: https://www.maa.org/external_archive/devlin/LockhartsLament.pdf … Many teachers do not want to teach this way tho.

      1:37 AM - 30 Jun 2019
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        1. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 30
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          Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ Retweeted Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ

          Did a little thread on it because I think people don't like leaving Twitter:https://twitter.com/o_guest/status/1145256509699514368 …

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          Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ @o_guest
          I keep seeing people talk about maths (stats and programming too!) on Twitter and criticising how it is taught in the West, myself included — but I don't know what to do other than beg people to read: A Mathematician’s Lament by Paul Lockhart https://www.maa.org/external_archive/devlin/LockhartsLament.pdf … pic.twitter.com/cIGV4cXGLN
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        2. Brad Wyble‏ @bradpwyble Jun 30
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          Replying to @o_guest @IrisVanRooij @VandekerckhoveJ

          I took a different point from Iris, which is that as psychologists, doing stats correctly is not incentivized by the prestige system. Teaching can't fix that, alas.

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 30
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          Replying to @bradpwyble @IrisVanRooij @VandekerckhoveJ

          Can teaching even fix stuff. I mean it's about attracting people to science who don't want to game the system. I worry sometimes but try to be positive.

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