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    1. Rebecca Willén‏ @rmwillen Jun 28
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      Provocative question to all psychologists teaching statistics: Shouldn't you just stop & let mathematically trained statisticians take over? Empirical research shows that psych's teaching statistics don't know statistics well enough. So how can still teaching it be justified?

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    2. Nick Brown‏ @sTeamTraen Jun 29
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      I think I get the point of your question, but I wonder where all these mathematically-trained statisticians are going to come from. Already in the Anglosphere, intro stats is often taught to psych UGs by psych grad students who have an imperfect grasp themselves. /1

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    3. Nick Brown‏ @sTeamTraen Jun 29
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      So you have two problems from day one: (1) finding enough mathematically-trained statisticians, and (2) convincing uni management to pay the cost of their time, which will be >> than the cost of the grad student's time (and "prevent the grad student gaining valuable experience").

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    4. Nick Brown‏ @sTeamTraen Jun 29
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      Also, there is the delicate balance between "teaching stats more rigorously" and "having UGs walk away from the course en masse because they can't hack the calculus". A lot of people in UG psych have frankly poor levels of mathematics. /3

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    5. Nick Brown‏ @sTeamTraen Jun 29
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      Here is the UK universities page discussing typical entry requirements for UG psych. It suggests that it is entirely possible to be admitted having studied essentially no maths since the age of 16. https://www.ucas.com/ucas/subject-guide-list/psychology … /endpic.twitter.com/tRHG5kkZak

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 29
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      I always have a culture shock at this stuff because every high schooler in Cyprus does calculus, linear algebra, etc. Yes, if you choose it you do more of it, but if you don't you will do tons starting from middle school (where you don't get choices anyway).

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        2. eigenvalue‏ @telescopicserie Jun 29
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          +1 Greece

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 29
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          We even do more than A-level Maths... which shocked me at the time since UK uni for undergrad (compsci) required me to take Maths A-level even though they knew I went to the kind of school I did... I guess that's a massive other tangent about how UK treats overseas students.

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        4. Thom Baguley‏ @seriousstats Jun 29
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          I do think that's an issue. However, it is an insanely difficult problem to track qualifications and schooling in say 50-100 different countries (each with variation within their systems) and personalise an offer. (I once recall having to make an offer based on Peruvian quals)

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        5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 29
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          I don't buy this too much as an argument in my case... because I went through it and the system is very old. Cypriots have been studying in the UK since before Cyprus was a country.

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        6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 29
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          Also I didn't get a personalised offer at all. They just asked for 2 A-levels and an apolyterion. Same as everybody else from Cyprus.

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        7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 29
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          This is half-outsourced in Cyprus to the British Council and High commission and the student themselves. We get our apolyterions translated and do so much legwork. And it counts just as one A-level when it's like 4.

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        8. Thom Baguley‏ @seriousstats Jun 29
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          Part of the problem is the inability to make a personalised offer when you do have good information. Another part is the difficulty of coping with the variety of systems means that we end up with simplistic rules.

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        2. Hannimal  🇪🇺 🇬🇧 🏳️‍🌈‏ @hisotalus Jun 29
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          In the UK most don’t even study their own government. Like they don’t know the structure of their own government or EU government. They don’t have to study it. Then they decide to leave the EU which they don’t even know what it is. This baffles me so much

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        3. Nick Brown‏ @sTeamTraen Jun 29
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          What % of Brits do you estimate can give a one-sentence answer to "What's the difference between the Government and Parliament"?

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        4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 29
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          100% but it won't be correct. 🤣

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        5. Hannimal  🇪🇺 🇬🇧 🏳️‍🌈‏ @hisotalus Jun 29
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          I mean I don’t know, I am just baffled that Britons don’t think it is a core part of the democratic system that the people understand how it works and what different roles are within the government and local councils.

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        6. Nick Brown‏ @sTeamTraen Jun 29
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          Half the people in the "people with geography in common" Facebook group I'm a member of don't know the difference between passport control, customs, and security at an airport. It's all just "customs".

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        7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 29
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          Wait till they all leave the EU. They'll know it's something. 🤣

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        8. Nick Brown‏ @sTeamTraen Jun 29
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          That's actually one thing that I don't think Brexit will change much. Brits already have to do passport control bc of no Schengen and they will probably actually welcome the return of "genuine" duty free (even though they will be getting ripped off). And BLUE PASSPORTS !!!!!1!

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        9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 29
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          We'll see. I can't wait TBH. It's worth it. 😈

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        2. Manjari Narayan‏ @NeuroStats Jun 29
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          Yeah. This kind of math is like reading/writing. Start young, plus it is within everyone's reach.

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 29
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          Yes, it is actually easy.

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        4. Nick Brown‏ @sTeamTraen Jun 29
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          I did the basics of matrices in primary school but not in high school(!) as it wasn't on the syllabus. Lots of calculus from about year 10 onwards though.

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        5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 29
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          No idea what year 10 is. 🤣

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        6. Nick Brown‏ @sTeamTraen Jun 29
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          I'm guessing myself. I meant when you're 14-15 ish

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        7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 29
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          I can't remember not doing it from 12 onwards. By the end, so when we were 17-18, it was rococo levels of complex stuff. It was my favourite subject, I think. That and coding, but it was in Pascal... LMAO

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