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    1. Lennart Verhagen‏ @LennartVerhagen Jun 29
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      Replying to @LennartVerhagen @o_guest @json_dirs

      I can sometimes feel myself retreating from these important discussions simply to avoid aggression. I have to remind myself that this is worth it. And I look at inspiration to stay strong. Like @IrisVanRooij, @djnavarro, @o_guest, @Abebab, and so many more.

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    2. Danielle Navarro‏ @djnavarro Jun 29
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      Replying to @LennartVerhagen @o_guest and

      FWIW, I actually have some thoughts on this! Sorry, this might be a long reply 🙂 It's pretty well known that I don't like the aggressiveness that predominates in parts of the #openscience community, and I have been less active in the community because of that. (1/n)

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    3. Danielle Navarro‏ @djnavarro Jun 29
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      Replying to @djnavarro @LennartVerhagen and

      On the one hand I think Olivia's motivation for using the term #bropenscience to refer to this less-than-ideal behaviour makes sense. It is a pretty stereotypically masculine kind of viciousness, and it's very difficult for many of us to coexist with that (2/n)

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    4. Danielle Navarro‏ @djnavarro Jun 29
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      Replying to @djnavarro @LennartVerhagen and

      On the other hand, you're right - it's not all men that engage in that behaviour, and there are some women who do it too. So, taken too literally, the term #bropenscience can be misleading. (3/n)

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    5. Danielle Navarro‏ @djnavarro Jun 29
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      Replying to @djnavarro @LennartVerhagen and

      Before I transitioned, it was something I found difficult - how can I be genuinely supportive while (apparently) belonging to the category of people who are most likely to do harm? It's actually a pretty tricky thing to do well & I'm sympathetic to anyone who finds it hard (4/n)

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    6. Danielle Navarro‏ @djnavarro Jun 29
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      Replying to @djnavarro @LennartVerhagen and

      Truth be told, I have my own reservations about the term #bropenscience. I think it is useful as a shorthand, but (and I think @o_guest would agree) any abbreviated description is going to be oversimplistic (5/n)

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    7. Danielle Navarro‏ @djnavarro Jun 29
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      Replying to @djnavarro @LennartVerhagen and

      In my own mind, I have secretly started thinking of the term more in terms of my own positive aspirations... one where the "br" is short for "bread and roses", a saying that figured prominently in the feminist labour movement (6/n) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1912_Lawrence_textile_strike …

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    8. Danielle Navarro‏ @djnavarro Jun 29
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      Replying to @djnavarro @LennartVerhagen and

      The line that has always resonated with me is "'Bread for all, and Roses, too". The worker must have bread, but she must also have roses. If the "bread" is openness, then the "roses" is inclusion. (7/n)

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    9. Danielle Navarro‏ @djnavarro Jun 29
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      Replying to @djnavarro @LennartVerhagen and

      If you don't like using #bropenscience as a call out of bad behaviour by "bros", okay. But if you care about the "bread and roses" view of open science, then maybe your time is better spent promoting a positive vision of our community than on nitpicking Olivia's wording? (8/8)

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    10. Danielle Navarro‏ @djnavarro Jun 29
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      Replying to @djnavarro @LennartVerhagen and

      (sorry, that was rather long! 😳)

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 29
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      Replying to @djnavarro @LennartVerhagen and

      Indeed. As you know, I agree that #bropensciece (with the "bro-" suffix) lacks nuance — it's just a pun! But it works so well to start discussions, air grievances, outline issues, etc. I don't think it's a coincidence we're on this number of impressions. There's something here.pic.twitter.com/CWz9i3EfaK

      2:03 AM - 29 Jun 2019
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      • james (he/mx.) Paul Matusz Abeba Birhane Esther Mondragón Danielle Navarro Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ
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        2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 29
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          Replying to @o_guest @djnavarro and

          The people who have followed me since I tweeted that out BTW... all mostly minorities in open science... so yeah. Something is going on here.

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 29
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          Replying to @o_guest @djnavarro and

          And to clarify, I fully 100% absolutely completely support calling #bropenscience: bread and roses open science. 🍞&🌹 [I also want to pre-register that the first criticism will be that it's too political. LMAO]

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