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    1. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 29
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      Replying to @o_guest @LennartVerhagen @json_dirs

      Also I have clarified it's also a pun, or even mostly a pun, so you can probably explain it using my logic. I'll ink you to previous cases...

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    2. Lennart Verhagen‏ @LennartVerhagen Jun 29
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      And a good pun at that! I remember laughing out loud when I first read it. Very recognisable. More recently, I have noticed how it deters others at who this pun was not directed.

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    3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 29
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      Do you mean minorities in science? In all honestly, can you tell them to DM me? If they like my puns enough to be worried about open science, they should be happy — I hope — I have a chat. I actually agree with you that pointing out, e.g., sexism in an area will deter women. BUT!

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    4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 29
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      BUT!!! The thing is to fix sexism you DO NOT bring in more women. It's like fixing a toxic gas leak in a mine because your canary died and thinking more canaries will fix it!

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    5. Lennart Verhagen‏ @LennartVerhagen Jun 29
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      Yes exactly this. A 1000 times this!!! And when I try to bring in more men, some of them feel repelled by labels like #bropenscience. Ironically.

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    6. Lennart Verhagen‏ @LennartVerhagen Jun 29
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      That’s why I hope there is place for people like me in diversity, equality, inclusion efforts. I hope to be part of this without fully subscribing to some labels. I hope that is possible.

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    7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 29
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      Replying to @LennartVerhagen @json_dirs

      Bringing in more men isn't the problem either... The toxic gas is sexism. Remove the sexism.

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    8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 29
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      Use the fact they are repelled by #bropenscience to ask them why. Are they bros? Maybe they aren't feminists? Or maybe — extremely important for ANY science not just #openscience — they don't like criticism?

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    9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 29
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      Also just to clarify: "I actually agree with you that pointing out, e.g., sexism in an area will deter women. BUT!" Women are being 100% rational actors by not wanting to go into an area they perceive for whatever reason as having sexism. But I think there's more here...

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    10. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 29
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      The fact that women close to you, for example & if I understand you correctly, don't want to do #openscience and prefer to do something else... is a problem you have to solve if you care, as an ally.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 29
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      Replying to @o_guest @LennartVerhagen @json_dirs

      Give them role models, make them feel safe, make them feel listened to, tell them to reach out and talk to me. If me just coining a term like #bropenscience is enough to catalyse them, SOMETHING DEEPER must be going on. Find out what is pushing them away.

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        2. Esther Mondragón‏ @twitemp1 Jun 29
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          Replying to @o_guest @LennartVerhagen @json_dirs

          Perhaps trying to balance the insult and collateral effects of using the term #bropenscience against the effect of machismo, not just as a political discourse but in women’s everyday life could help you understand that >

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        3. Esther Mondragón‏ @twitemp1 Jun 29
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          Olivia’s pun is not just needed but precisely a way to discriminate among men. Those offended or deterred by it are certainly not allies.

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        4. Lennart Verhagen‏ @LennartVerhagen Jun 29
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          But can some of them become allies? Perhaps that's what I'm getting at. Calling out sexism is vital. And so supporting even little steps in the right direction.

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        5. Esther Mondragón‏ @twitemp1 Jun 29
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          Hardly so when they prove themselves unable to listen and rather they keep trying to push their views instead.

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        6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 29
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          Replying to @twitemp1 @LennartVerhagen @json_dirs

          Yeah, "sit down and listen" sounds harsh but it's often the only way.

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