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    1. Lennart Verhagen‏ @LennartVerhagen Jun 29
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      Lennart Verhagen Retweeted Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ

      Unpopular opinion: In exactly the same way the aggression called out by #bropenscience harms open science at large, so does this aggressively genderized label #bropenscience itself harm the cause for diversity and equality at large. Thread 👇https://twitter.com/o_guest/status/1144318491383738368 …

      Lennart Verhagen added,

      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ @o_guest
      I'm gonna do a small thread on: Why did I coin #bropenscience? The shortest answer to the question is: because it’s amusing and seems to upset exactly the right people, while also drawing attention to behaviours and ideas that harm #openscience and its adoption in deep ways.
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    2. jon e. saunders‏ @json_dirs Jun 29
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      Replying to @LennartVerhagen

      "Im out here lookin out my dang door like wheres the dang sexism, I can't see any out here so I figure surely all women are liars"

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    3. Lennart Verhagen‏ @LennartVerhagen Jun 29
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      Replying to @json_dirs

      Apologies, I did not mean to give the impression I’m calling anybody a liar. I certainly don’t think @o_guest is lying. I am expressing that this label excludes me from the diversity, equality, inclusion effort.

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    4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 29
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      Replying to @LennartVerhagen @json_dirs

      What does excluding you mean in this context?

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    5. Lennart Verhagen‏ @LennartVerhagen Jun 29
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      Replying to @o_guest @json_dirs

      Thanks for asking for clarification. Appreciate that. In this context, it meant it can make it harder for me to point out the very same behaviour in non-bros.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 29
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      Replying to @LennartVerhagen @json_dirs

      I don't see how this is personal to you or your identity in the way we usually mean "excluding" people, but I have addressed this before.

      1:22 AM - 29 Jun 2019
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        2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 29
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          Replying to @o_guest @LennartVerhagen @json_dirs

          Firstly, it's already very hard to point out behaviour for minorities in science. We get told we're making it up or we're ignored or it's just extremely stressful because we're used to bad things happening when we speak up.

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 29
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          Replying to @o_guest @LennartVerhagen @json_dirs

          Also I have clarified it's also a pun, or even mostly a pun, so you can probably explain it using my logic. I'll ink you to previous cases...

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        4. Lennart Verhagen‏ @LennartVerhagen Jun 29
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          Replying to @o_guest @json_dirs

          And a good pun at that! I remember laughing out loud when I first read it. Very recognisable. More recently, I have noticed how it deters others at who this pun was not directed.

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        5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 29
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          Replying to @LennartVerhagen @json_dirs

          Do you mean minorities in science? In all honestly, can you tell them to DM me? If they like my puns enough to be worried about open science, they should be happy — I hope — I have a chat. I actually agree with you that pointing out, e.g., sexism in an area will deter women. BUT!

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        6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 29
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          BUT!!! The thing is to fix sexism you DO NOT bring in more women. It's like fixing a toxic gas leak in a mine because your canary died and thinking more canaries will fix it!

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        7. Lennart Verhagen‏ @LennartVerhagen Jun 29
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          Replying to @o_guest @json_dirs

          Yes exactly this. A 1000 times this!!! And when I try to bring in more men, some of them feel repelled by labels like #bropenscience. Ironically.

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        8. Lennart Verhagen‏ @LennartVerhagen Jun 29
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          Replying to @LennartVerhagen @o_guest @json_dirs

          That’s why I hope there is place for people like me in diversity, equality, inclusion efforts. I hope to be part of this without fully subscribing to some labels. I hope that is possible.

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        9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 29
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          Replying to @LennartVerhagen @json_dirs

          Bringing in more men isn't the problem either... The toxic gas is sexism. Remove the sexism.

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