Recovering code isn't the same as recovering computational experiments nor the same as publishing them. All I asked is why people think modelers are harming you, it's not zero sum AFAIK, when it's modelers who are at a disadvantage in terms of authorship and recognition?
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Why do non-modelling people feel the need for example to tell me that modelling is easy? When they are probably from the same group who say modelling is hard? Why? I don't say anything is easy about data collection.
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Replying to @o_guest @shravanvasishth
Again, it’s not the difficulty level. BOTH ARE HARD. It’s the level of control. If your code is hard to debug, that’s on you—you wrote it! If you have a hard time publishing something, you picked the topic. Exp have these problems too, obviously.
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Replying to @prokraustinator @shravanvasishth
I still don't get it. Why are non-modellers always behaving like it's zero sum? Also... all debugging is hard and not all code is single-developer code.
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We are talking about *authorship*, it should be obvious that whoever builds a model authors it, that authorship does not rely on the difficulty or riks entailed in a task. However, and talking as both empirical (animal) scientist and modeller, I don't think that
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using others' models, data or methods directly qualifies someone as co-author. IMO, it would depend on their implication on that specific study. Your research is not an investment in others'
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Yeah, totally agreed. I do think
@shravanvasishth is picking up a on real thing though were data collectors are more protective than modellers. And modellers do get very little recognition in general. Many relegated to middle author almost always.2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes -
This is why I do very little when I am asked to model something for people now, because I know I will be middle author even if I do a tonne of modelling.
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The only way as a modeller I can be first author is if I don't allow any data-collectors to be involved.
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So just being 100% a data parasite and/or collecting the data myself.
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Which is sad because this means less collaboration in the "pure" sense.
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At the end of the day none of this would matter, except of course as a modeller if you always are middle author you can't get a job as easily since they need first author pubs to hire you... So yeah, it's very unfair.
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