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    1. Angsty Academic‏ @AcademicAngsty Jun 11
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      In light of many tweets. I propose this poll. Please share far and wide and let's find out what our academic friends think of this issue. Would be great to see the reason for your response as well. Should we abandon the use of 'Dr'?

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    2. Angsty Academic‏ @AcademicAngsty Jun 11
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      1) I strongly suggest we should abandon it. I don't think it's helpful and may even be harmful. No one has given me a good reason for keeping it. Most reasons are 'because we worked hard'. Which of course every profession does...

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    3. Angsty Academic‏ @AcademicAngsty Jun 11
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      2) Or many women prefer using Dr as a gender-neutral title. This I totally get, but what about women who haven't completed a Ph.D.? I am open to change my but at the moment I can't see any reason to use a title which suggest so much self-importance.

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    4. Lisa DeBruine  🏳️‍🌈‏ @LisaDeBruine Jun 11
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      Replying to @AcademicAngsty

      I’d vote to get rid of it if we also got rid of *all* other titles, but not if the alternative is Mr and Mrs/Ms/Miss.

      2 replies 1 retweet 8 likes
    5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 11
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      Replying to @LisaDeBruine @AcademicAngsty

      Removing it will affect women who have it more than it will affect men, much more IMHO. So my counter to you @AcademicAngsty is why do YOU get to decide to harm women?

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    6. Angsty Academic‏ @AcademicAngsty Jun 11
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      Replying to @o_guest @LisaDeBruine

      Because I think the title causes more harm than it would if no longer used.

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    7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 11
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      Replying to @AcademicAngsty @LisaDeBruine

      Are you a man? Getting the title has helped me so much in life.

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    8. Angsty Academic‏ @AcademicAngsty Jun 11
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      Replying to @o_guest @LisaDeBruine

      I'm sure it's helped you. And I'm getting that, and I think that's come through clearly. I am non-binary.

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    9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 11
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      Replying to @AcademicAngsty @LisaDeBruine

      So ever since I got "Dr", I have received the healthcare I was begging for on the NHS (lfe-saving stuff), I have been treated better in every situation in which people knew my title. I literally do not think I would be alive if I didn't get it because of the causal chain here.

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    10. Lisa DeBruine  🏳️‍🌈‏ @LisaDeBruine Jun 11
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      Replying to @o_guest @AcademicAngsty

      That's great it helped you, but you don't deserve those things any more or less after you got the PhD than you did before.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 11
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      Replying to @LisaDeBruine @AcademicAngsty

      Yes, it's disgusting. But to take it away from me would take my ability to access this stuff.

      7:41 AM - 11 Jun 2019
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        2. Angsty Academic‏ @AcademicAngsty Jun 11
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          Replying to @o_guest @LisaDeBruine

          Take away the title 'Mr' and maybe men wouldn't be listened to as much. So let's keep it.

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 11
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          Replying to @AcademicAngsty @LisaDeBruine

          Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ Retweeted Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ

          Totally disingenuous take on what I am saying IMHO. Anyway, I've explained it as best as I can here:https://twitter.com/o_guest/status/1138456982468386817 …

          Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ added,

          Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ @o_guest
          Replying to @AcademicAngsty @LisaDeBruine
          I hate cars (they pollute even if electric) but to take away my car in a country without public transport would harm me. It's the same thing. Fight the system not the individuals trying to survive by taking away their harmless (in the grand scheme of things) coping mechanisms.
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        4. Angsty Academic‏ @AcademicAngsty Jun 11
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          Replying to @o_guest @LisaDeBruine

          It's the same. The title gives you a privilege you do not want removed, even though you agree the title is nonsensical.

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        5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 11
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          Replying to @AcademicAngsty @LisaDeBruine

          Nope. You think a medical doctor listening to me is a privilege? That's them doing their job.

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        6. Angsty Academic‏ @AcademicAngsty Jun 11
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          Replying to @o_guest @LisaDeBruine

          Which they should do regardless of your title. The fact they didn't is awful. But that doesn't provide support for your notion only lets me know those doctors were pricks.

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        7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 11
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          Replying to @AcademicAngsty @LisaDeBruine

          Most/many doctors, to be fair.

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        8. Angsty Academic‏ @AcademicAngsty Jun 11
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          Replying to @o_guest @LisaDeBruine

          If only they didn't have a title which made them somehow superior 🤔

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        9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 11
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          Replying to @AcademicAngsty @LisaDeBruine

          And you think the title drives it? Do you think "Mr" drives sexism?

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        2. Lisa DeBruine  🏳️‍🌈‏ @LisaDeBruine Jun 11
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          Replying to @o_guest @AcademicAngsty

          I think it's OK to acknowledge both the harm that happens from using the PhD title (e.g., implicitly degrading the contributions of ECRs) and the fact that removing it would disproportionately affect women and URMs.

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 11
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          Replying to @LisaDeBruine @AcademicAngsty

          I'm confused? I'm not an ECR because I finished my Ph.D.?

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        4. Lisa DeBruine  🏳️‍🌈‏ @LisaDeBruine Jun 11
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          Replying to @o_guest @AcademicAngsty

          Please don’t. You know I mean ECRs that don’t have a PhD.

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        5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 11
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          Replying to @LisaDeBruine @AcademicAngsty

          OK — I am not sure I would describe it as harm (because it's a strong word), but sure: yes.

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