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    1. Brad Wyble‏ @bradpwyble Jun 5
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      There is a substantial history of people ignoring the existing formal work in psychology, even as they look longingly at physics and wonder why we can't be like them. It's frustrating for those of us who have already been building such models for decades.

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    2. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij Jun 5
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      Replying to @bradpwyble @psmaldino and

      This.

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    3. Paul Smaldino‏ @psmaldino Jun 5
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij @bradpwyble and

      I see. Knowing the authors as I do, I think your expectations are probably off by some margin. I do understand the concern, but I don't think it's warranted here.

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    4. Brad Wyble‏ @bradpwyble Jun 5
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      Replying to @psmaldino @IrisVanRooij and

      It is admittedly unfair to do the pshawing without having read the paper but the original tweet sounded a bit patronizing to me. I understand it wasn't offered with that intent, but this is why interdisciplinary work is difficult.

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    5. Daniël Lakens‏Verified account @lakens Jun 5
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      Replying to @bradpwyble @psmaldino and

      That is 100% you Brad. The paper is about modeling the publication process using signalling theory. You are all going off on a tweet not remotely relevant to what you are complaining about. Now please stop adding me to replies, thanks.

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    6. Brad Wyble‏ @bradpwyble Jun 5
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      Replying to @lakens @psmaldino and

      I'd be happy to modify the publication process and I look forward to reading a paper that makes such a proposal. The original tweet didn't really put it that way though (i.e. talked about building on theories rather than methods of dissemination)

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    7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 6
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      Replying to @bradpwyble @psmaldino and

      To answer Paul's question: "Are you really so hostile to learning how frameworks and models from other fields can help psychological/cognitive research?" It's basically my job to do exactly that.

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    8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 6
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      Replying to @o_guest @bradpwyble and

      I am very super trans- and inter-disciplinary which is what I think causes a lot of confusion with other people in the "same" field. I don't even know where I or my current lab fits into psychology because of how many varied topics we all work on.

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    9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 6
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      Replying to @o_guest @bradpwyble and

      I feel uncomfortable being labelled a neuro-person or even a psych person because of how much the "centroid" of these areas is devoid of what I do. I have a preprint that is basically computational politics, another that uses deep nets for modeling categorisation...

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    10. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 6
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      Replying to @o_guest @bradpwyble and

      Modelers are like this. We are not in a "single field". The reason I said what's "wrong with what we have" is because we have a tonne of great stuff — don't forget that the roots of a lot of modern ML are in psych — and I see no engagement with it or the wider modeling community.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 6
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      Replying to @o_guest @bradpwyble and

      The reason I say no real engagement is because it's false to claim we don't already do exactly what is being proposed as a novel thing. We — modellers in cog, neuro, psych — influence and are influenced by other fields constantly.

      12:32 AM - 6 Jun 2019
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        2. Esther Mondragón‏ @twitemp1 Jun 6
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          Replying to @o_guest @bradpwyble and

          Agreed. Perhaps these quarrels and misinterpretations would lessen if we would realise that psychology as a field is very varied, uses different methods and has different purposes, that one specific area cannot represent and less so set the canons for all others.

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        3. Esther Mondragón‏ @twitemp1 Jun 6
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          Replying to @twitemp1 @o_guest and

          We certainly would gain by reading more about what others are doing or have already done and stop reinventing the wheel. This doesn’t not only apply to different areas. In this context, theory and modelling is are keystone.

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        4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jun 6
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          Replying to @twitemp1 @bradpwyble and

          TBF many modellers also reinvent the wheel. So this advice is a universal maxim. 💯

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        5. Esther Mondragón‏ @twitemp1 Jun 6
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          Replying to @o_guest @bradpwyble and

          Precisely!

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