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    Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest May 27
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    I just saw somebody, a peer, put their h-index in their CV. I'm not going to lie, I'm a little bit disturbed — "are they actually OK?"-level disturbed. Wow... 🤨

    12:37 PM - 27 May 2019
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      2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest May 27
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        Oh, god, there's also some weird "slips" in this CV too. Why do I always notice things that are verifiably wrong in people's CVs? Makes me think everybody's CV has these "oopsies" (i.e., skewed towards making the person look a little/lot better) & prob even more than I can see...

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      3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest May 27
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        If anything it makes me question people's judgement and their mentors.

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      2. Prof Paul Stewart‏ @ProfPaulStewart May 28
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        Replying to @o_guest

        I feel the same about the inclusion of a passport style photo on the front of the CV;-)

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      3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest May 28
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        Replying to @ProfPaulStewart

        That's a nasty habit, yep.

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      4. Dr. Merryn Constable‏ @ConstableMerryn May 29
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        Replying to @o_guest @ProfPaulStewart

        It's not nasty at all. In some parts of the world it is expected. Keep in mind that some departments want different things and there are regional conventions for all parts of a CV. Photos, impact factors, h-indicies, in prep papers.... there is no right or wrong.

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      5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest May 29
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        Replying to @ConstableMerryn @ProfPaulStewart

        It has a pretty nasty history. Also it could cost you the job, be careful.

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      6. Dr. Merryn Constable‏ @ConstableMerryn May 29
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        Replying to @o_guest @ProfPaulStewart

        I personally dont use it. My point is that perhaps the person is not doing it for the reasons you think they are.

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      2. Richard D. Morey‏ @richarddmorey May 28
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        Replying to @o_guest

        CVs are often made with particular purposes in mind. Some applications (eg for jobs or promotions) ask for silly info.

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      3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest May 28
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        Replying to @richarddmorey

        Yeah, should have clarified this was the one they chose to put on their website.

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      4. Richard D. Morey‏ @richarddmorey May 28
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        Replying to @o_guest

        I can't recall if mine has an h-index on it, but I often just put the last one I made on the website...

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      5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest May 28
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        Replying to @richarddmorey

        Yeah, it's fair enough. I had no idea they ask (implicitly) for h-index on CV.

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      6. Richard D. Morey‏ @richarddmorey May 28
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        Replying to @o_guest

        Yeah, it is funny - you can get hired at a Uni without mentioning your h-index, but promotion guidelines at that same Uni may require e.g. an h-index, in spite of the fact that they have *more* info about your *actual performance*. Management.

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      7.  🐙 🛐Will Gervais 🛐 🐙‏ @wgervais May 28
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        Replying to @richarddmorey @o_guest

        I think my h made it onto my CV for this reason: I had to fill out some thing or other that wanted it there. So I put it on. It’s about as meaningful as where I have my first guest lecture to an undergrad class, but that’s probably on the CV too somewhere

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      8. Stian Soiland-Reyes #FBPE  🇪🇺 🇬🇧 🇳🇴 🇲🇽‏ @soilandreyes May 28
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        Replying to @wgervais @richarddmorey @o_guest

        I admit I added it *once* as part of a grant application where everyone else in the grant had included the h-index; just to show I actually had one!

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      2. Paul Smaldino‏ @psmaldino May 27
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        Replying to @o_guest

        I’ve seen this several times. It always makes me sad, but incentives to flaunt metrics like h-index are still widespread.

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      3. rohan kapitany‏ @Psycasm May 27
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        Replying to @psmaldino @o_guest

        I must admit I do it, because every job ad I look at says you gotta demonstrate impact and talk about the REF etc ad naseum. I mean, I'd prefer people read my papers, but if I gotta persuade you that I have impact in the space of a sentence, I use the metric.

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      4. Paul Smaldino‏ @psmaldino May 27
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        Replying to @Psycasm @o_guest

        I get it, but just be advised that when people like me get a CV like that, including those stats probably *lowers* your chance of an interview. Unfair? Yep. Job placement is largely about assortment, though, so signal for the kind of team you want to be on.

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      5. Stas Kolenikov‏ @StatStas May 28
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        Replying to @psmaldino @Psycasm @o_guest

        Why? (... it lowers... ) (I am not in academia; and I am not on the market; but I thought h-index is a commonly recognized measure of... something... especially in physics where it was... uhm, invented. But since everybody seem to nod in agreement with OG, I am missing it out.)

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      6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest May 28
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        Replying to @StatStas @psmaldino @Psycasm

        I don't think that many replies agree with me. Some replies, quite a few, seem to think it's a "OK fair enough" requirement.

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      7. Stas Kolenikov‏ @StatStas May 28
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        Replying to @o_guest @psmaldino @Psycasm

        Some do, some don’t. Still... why is this bad? (Proper scientists would also recognize measurement error issue: google scholar citations != scopus != research gate that probably nobody takes seriously.)

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      8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest May 28
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        Replying to @StatStas @psmaldino @Psycasm

        "Bad" is a weird word to use here.

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