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    1. Andrew Willis‏ @ilovefluffy May 9
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      I guess he was going for the "cheeky monkey" thing that some people call their kids. My sister calls her kid a cheeky monkey sometimes, howevrr there's a difference between the parents of a child doing it and some random guy, knowing that one of the parents is mixed race too.

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    2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest May 9
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      He wasn't. He was calling commoners chimps. Maybe read what he said.

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    3. Andrew Willis‏ @ilovefluffy May 9
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      “Was supposed to be joke about royals vs circus animals in posh clothes” that’s from the article you shared, he’s not said anything in that about commoners that I can see, although I’m probably wrong.

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    4. Hannimal  🇪🇺 🇬🇧 🏳️‍🌈‏ @hisotalus May 9
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      Replying to @ilovefluffy @o_guest @justkelly_ok

      I think the difference here is whether you accept that he was being ignorant as he says he was, or if you think he was being intentionally malicious. I think the latter doesn't make sense given quick apology & removing the tweet & clearly being distressed to be associated with

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    5. Hannimal  🇪🇺 🇬🇧 🏳️‍🌈‏ @hisotalus May 9
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      extreme racism. But then others in this thread seem to disagree and think he had malicious racist intent

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    6. Andrew Willis‏ @ilovefluffy May 9
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      Cynical people would think he had the reaction planned incase it got flipped this way.

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    7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest May 9
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      TBH I don't think we agree on how interpret racist acts, not on if he had a mens rea. I don't think the mens rea is relevant here at all because it's not a court and because racist acts don't need a mens rea to be classed as racism.

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    8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest May 9
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      Basically, I don't think the BBC sacking him is wrong and I also don't think it matters what his intent was because this is not a court. If you want to take this to court and find out what the law says, a mens rea is not the only way to determine hate speech in the UK.

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    9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest May 9
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      Either way malice or intent to me in this specific case are red herrings.

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    10. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest May 9
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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ Retweeted Charlene White

      Anyway maybe this is a good thing to link to here so the context of how racism of this sort plays out is understood:https://twitter.com/CharleneWhite/status/1126424116389666816 …

      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ added,

      Charlene WhiteVerified account @CharleneWhite
      SHORT THREAD: Let’s break down the Danny Baker situation. Meghan has been subject to horrific/veiled racist abuse & prejudice online and in print since the start of their relationship. Of which we are ALL aware.
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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest May 9
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      Replying to @o_guest @ilovefluffy and

      PS: Listen to black women.

      4:21 AM - 9 May 2019
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        2. Hannimal  🇪🇺 🇬🇧 🏳️‍🌈‏ @hisotalus May 9
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          I was always going to listen to black people and I am always hoping to educate myself on social issues. But I do disagree that the intent does not matter. I think it matters a huge deal in how to dissect someone's character. That's not to say the tweet wasn't disgusting. It was.

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest May 9
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          I think I just don't care about his character. He's probably nice in person.

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        4. Andrew Willis‏ @ilovefluffy May 9
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          This is a problem with society then, not one specific person. Our society creates an environment where “nice” people can say and do unintentionally racist things. The lack of education and empathy for issues around race and gender is the culprit here.

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        5. Andrew Willis‏ @ilovefluffy May 9
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          Educating children about the issues creates a future society where the problems will be significantly less frequent. But imagine telling my gran, at 92, that she can’t make a specific joke any more. Doesn’t mean she’s racist for laughing at it for 92 years.

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        6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest May 9
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          Replying to @ilovefluffy @hisotalus @justkelly_ok

          Can you stop, please.

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