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    1. David Nicholson‏ @nicholdav Apr 26
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      Replying to @nicholdav @ianholmes and

      But there's also ***so much data*** sitting in labs from ten years ago that could help other labs avoid repeating the same experiments and basically throwing money away ***now***. You've never looked at an 80s Brain Research paper and really wished you just had the raw data?

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    2. Ian Holmes‏ @ianholmes Apr 26
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      Replying to @nicholdav @drugmonkeyblog and

      I suspect you were just phrasing things sympathetically to DM's perceived position, in good-faith debate, but: is there really an "Open Mafia" that is forcing data release standards onto all fields, indiscriminately? Or is that a straw man

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    3. Drug Monkey‏ @drugmonkeyblog Apr 26
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      Replying to @ianholmes @nicholdav and

      we can but go on what people say in these discussions.

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    4. Ian Holmes‏ @ianholmes Apr 26
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      Replying to @drugmonkeyblog @nicholdav and

      "some people say" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weasel_word …

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    5. Drug Monkey‏ @drugmonkeyblog Apr 26
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      Replying to @ianholmes @nicholdav and

      why would you even be on twitter if what people say on twitter is irrelevant to you?

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    6. Ian Holmes‏ @ianholmes Apr 26
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      Replying to @drugmonkeyblog @nicholdav and

      oh god, you've discovered that i'm a procrastinating hypocrite, how will i live this down

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    7. David Nicholson‏ @nicholdav Apr 26
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      Replying to @ianholmes @drugmonkeyblog and

      I'm (1) also a procrastinating hypocrite, (2) a double agent working for Real Neuro and the RNN Tie Club (3) part of a Data Liberation Front sleeper cell ... but I think there's good reason the term #bropenscience gets used by tweeps like @o_guest @IrisVanRooij @twitemp1 et al.

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    8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Apr 27
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      Replying to @nicholdav @ianholmes and

      I have no idea what's going on here 100%, but I'm a data parasite and thus always have used other people's data and I have never demanded they change the format to help me unless they came to me for help (even in those cases I did most of the work anyway).

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    9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Apr 27
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      Replying to @o_guest @nicholdav and

      Demanding people change the format of their data unless it's like encrypted or obfuscated on purpose to stop you using it (if so, they would not make it open, easier to keep it "safe"/private) is a weird flex.

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    10. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Apr 27
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      Replying to @o_guest @nicholdav and

      If somebody made their data open what's their motive for changing the format just to spite you? They didn't, they just made it open in the format they used, which is how it should be, right?

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Apr 27
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      Replying to @o_guest @nicholdav and

      You can ask them to change but why demand it like they should change file types/formats for you? Surely that's a tiny easy thing to do and since it's for you purpose you would know how to do it better than them anyway?

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        2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Apr 27
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          Replying to @o_guest @nicholdav and

          Unless I am missing something, which is very possible, what is a case in which it's OK to demand (not kindly ask but demand!) a change in formats as if the data collector has made a huge error?

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        3. Esther Mondragón‏ @twitemp1 Apr 27
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          Replying to @o_guest @nicholdav and

          But that is a completely different matter. I think it should suffice that the data is properly labelled, designs identified, and operations declared. My view.

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        4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Apr 27
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          Replying to @twitemp1 @nicholdav and

          Yes, there should always be meta data. Are we talking about meta data or data formats? Different things.

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        5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Apr 27
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          Replying to @o_guest @twitemp1 and

          *metadata

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        6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Apr 27
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          Replying to @o_guest @twitemp1 and

          Documentation and metadata are really important, although demands should be phrased kindly and probably dialed back to questions since it's always possible the information is somewhere not yet found by the more data parasitic person.

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        7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Apr 27
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          Replying to @o_guest @twitemp1 and

          This is something a peer reviewer should be catching anyway, so I would question how recent datasets like this (w/o metadata/docs) get past PR. More focus on training PhD students & postdocs to review open science is needed and journals should explain how to catch such omissions!

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