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    1. Patrick S. Forscher‏ @psforscher Apr 5
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      Replying to @EikoFried @Burak_AYD1N and

      For what it's worth, Burak, I don't think there's a strong consensus on terms even among the most engaged in the methods reform movement. Your use isn't so uncommon (though it may have a somewhat ambiguous English meaning)

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    2. Eiko Fried‏ @EikoFried Apr 5
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      Replying to @psforscher @Burak_AYD1N and

      In the open science workshop @interact_minds 2 wks ago, the terms were used all over the place unfortunately; so there is terminological confusion (or better: different definitions in different fields) even among folks working on the topics.

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    3. Melissa Kline‏ @melissaekline Apr 6
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      Replying to @EikoFried @psforscher and

      Same at srcd! And in addition to the basic 2, all kinds of conflicting usages/proposals for direct, pure, conceptual, construct, etc flavors

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    4. Dr. Christina Bergmann‏ @chbergma Apr 6
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      Replying to @melissaekline @EikoFried and

      ...which doesn't make this open science thing easier to get into, talk about, or evaluate...pic.twitter.com/6ZR9rzgcWx

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    5. Daniël Lakens‏Verified account @lakens Apr 6
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      Replying to @chbergma @melissaekline and

      Luckily you can use the words around the word you use to explain what you mean so this is largely semantics without consequences.

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    6. Dr. Christina Bergmann‏ @chbergma Apr 6
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      Replying to @lakens @melissaekline and

      Which would be great if others were also listening and didn't come to talks or papers or grant proposals with their preconceptions...

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    7. Richard D. Morey‏ @richarddmorey Apr 6
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      Replying to @chbergma @lakens and

      Is the confusion *increased* by some people demanding the terms be used in particular ways, or decreased? I suspect the former. Language is often ambiguous and we get it by context. It seems expecting normative use where it isn’t common is the problem, not the solution.

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    8. Eiko Fried‏ @EikoFried Apr 6
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      Replying to @richarddmorey @chbergma and

      Who, in this debate, has demanded normative language use? All I have seen is folks point out the issue that it can be confusing if terms with different meanings are used interchangeably. This doesn't seem contentious to me.

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    9. Richard D. Morey‏ @richarddmorey Apr 6
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      Replying to @EikoFried @chbergma and

      I didn’t even perceive a “debate” here, but I often get “corrected” on these terms. The problem is they don’t *actually* have different meanings. They’re used interchangeably because they are interchangeable (meaning follows usage)

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    10. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Apr 6
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      Replying to @richarddmorey @EikoFried and

      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ Retweeted Daniël Lakens

      Isn't the construction "I would adhere to current norms" asking others to use terms in a normative way? "I would adhere to X" implies one thinks it's a good idea to X and "norms" implies something *ehem* normative...https://twitter.com/lakens/status/1114163248171872256 …

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      Daniël LakensVerified account @lakens
      Replying to @Burak_AYD1N @andrewang91 and 3 others
      I know what the OCS did. I am one of the authors of the paper. It estimated the *replicability*. Reproducibility is same results with same data. The terminology has been consolidated, and I would adhere to current norms, not one project started in 2011.
      1 reply 1 retweet 4 likes
      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Apr 6
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      Replying to @o_guest @richarddmorey and

      So to answer @EikoFried... didn't @lakens just say in this thread he prefers normative definitions? 🤔 And many do, and I can't blame them TBH. It's an appealing and simplifying way of speaking which can in many cases aid communication.

      9:30 AM - 6 Apr 2019
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        2. Richard D. Morey‏ @richarddmorey Apr 6
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          Replying to @o_guest @EikoFried and

          They aid communication if they are clear, but the reproducibility/replicability distinction goes against common usage of common terms; it actually creates, rather than eliminates, communication issues. OTOH, "computational reproducibility" is clarifying.

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Apr 6
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          Replying to @richarddmorey @EikoFried and

          I agree completely, IF clear and also dare I say IF the actual semantics have been figured out/formalised.

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        4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Apr 6
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          Replying to @o_guest @richarddmorey and

          Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ Retweeted Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ

          Why do you think it's more clear in computational work? I mean I feel like there was a sea of possible meanings when I and others wrote this in response to the title/question: "What is Computational Reproducibility?"...https://twitter.com/o_guest/status/1114564595832754176 …

          Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ added,

          Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ @o_guest
          Replying to @Burak_AYD1N @psforscher and 5 others
          I think there are about three different types of computational reproducibility (at least), so this really is a huge semantic quagmire. Extract from: http://oliviaguest.com/doc/guest_rougier_2016.pdf … pic.twitter.com/WcKLvpZ2mU
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        1. Daniël Lakens‏Verified account @lakens Apr 6
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          Replying to @o_guest @richarddmorey and

          There is a world between normative behavior and consensus about terminology that facilitates efficient communication. I wrote norms, as in general consensus. People can use what they want as long as it is clear. There have been good attempts at conceptual definitions since 2011.

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