Anyway the police/city metaphor and the idea that a paper type can help modelling seems too off to me to be of use for modelling. As well as a bit off to be told what our work is like or what our environment is like from those who don't do modelling.
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Replying to @o_guest @bradpwyble and
I thought the point was to respect experts and modellers are experts not just on modelling itself but also how they and their work is treated by wider psych/cogsci/neurosci.
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Replying to @o_guest @bradpwyble and
Thanks for clarifying. I think we completely agree. Modeling expertise is a form of theorising and experts in modeling need to be part of any reform we might be undergoing. Mine is an argument for diversity in any reform process and I agree the city metaphor is inappropriate.
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Replying to @JCSkewesDK @o_guest and
One of my special skills is coming up with ideas that everyone hates. It’s harder than you might think.
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Replying to @VandekerckhoveJ @chrisdc77 and
You mean authoritarianism is something that appeals to some over others? But it's an empirical issue as well: has authoritarian-flavoured science worked well in the past? I believe it hasn't because science isn't something that can be codified nor something monolithic.
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Replying to @o_guest @VandekerckhoveJ and
This is a huge jump. Saying that a science has social conventions and that conventions need to be discussed/consciously implemented/changed is very far from saying science should be authoritarian.
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Replying to @ivanflis @VandekerckhoveJ and
I didn't make the jump you think. I am claiming that saying "science needs something akin to a police force" is authoritarian. Inherently so IMHO.
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Replying to @o_guest @VandekerckhoveJ and
Oh, we're still at the city metaphor. I thought that was settled. I just don't want us to go down the rabbit hole "if there are any social conventions that direct research = authoritarian", because that's a strawman.
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I feel we had good progress on this thread. It ended well, with productive consensus. And now it seems a bit undermined by straw manning
@o_guest position as a straw man (also by@VandekerckhoveJ). I feel the important points are getting lost.1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
Yeah, this is getting a bit painful and I mean that in a kind way, but... please don't put words in my mouth.
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