My point more broadly is that if our fields are in a reform phase, then humanists and theorists should be involved in determining new institutions in that process. More funding for theory, more acknowledgement of different paper/discourse types, etc would all be part of this.
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Replying to @JCSkewesDK @o_guest and
Yes definitely. But the question is whether the misunderstood minority should let the majority group help to set the terms for their own reform. The track record in this process has not been great (IMO) so far.
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Replying to @bradpwyble @JCSkewesDK and
I feel like maybe I've not been clear. I'm very skeptical of the idea that a paper type will help the kind of science I do. Complex problems needs complex solutions. And I'm not even convinced modelling has any deep problems inherent to any of the many different ways it is done.
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Replying to @o_guest @bradpwyble and
Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ Retweeted Bart tweets progress.
There isn't something simple going on with modelling... as I explained many times (e.g., on this account: https://twitter.com/SfPRocur/status/1102957227906949121 …), the issues are very deep and nuanced when they exist AND modelleres already actually do a lot to address them.
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Replying to @o_guest @bradpwyble and
Anyway the police/city metaphor and the idea that a paper type can help modelling seems too off to me to be of use for modelling. As well as a bit off to be told what our work is like or what our environment is like from those who don't do modelling.
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Replying to @o_guest @bradpwyble and
I thought the point was to respect experts and modellers are experts not just on modelling itself but also how they and their work is treated by wider psych/cogsci/neurosci.
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Replying to @o_guest @bradpwyble and
Thanks for clarifying. I think we completely agree. Modeling expertise is a form of theorising and experts in modeling need to be part of any reform we might be undergoing. Mine is an argument for diversity in any reform process and I agree the city metaphor is inappropriate.
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Replying to @JCSkewesDK @o_guest and
One of my special skills is coming up with ideas that everyone hates. It’s harder than you might think.
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Replying to @chrisdc77 @o_guest and
.....but you didn't seem super committed to the metaphor.
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Replying to @JCSkewesDK @chrisdc77 and
If you learn anything in philosophy it's that metaphors can be distracting.
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I can't hate it that much because if you, Chris, hadn't used it I would not have realised how we see the world differently in this case. 
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Replying to @o_guest @JCSkewesDK and
It's possible that b/c so much time working to change existing systems from the inside, with all their imperfections & rules, policies & so forth, that my views are a bit restricted - and so I usually tend to see things through a "systems lens", if that makes sense.
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