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    1. Chris Chambers‏Verified account @chrisdc77 Mar 15
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      And through productive conversations we can build things that help all of us: whether that's policies that celebrate theoretical research & protect it from unnecessary bureaucracy, or new article types, new funding models, new edu programmes, etc. that benefit from wider input /5

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    2. Chris Chambers‏Verified account @chrisdc77 Mar 15
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      Replying to @chrisdc77 @IrisVanRooij and

      Anyhow, I'll leave it there. Thanks for the interesting discussion. @JCSkewesDK - yes totally up for writing something together on this. Let's reconnect when time permits.

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    3. Joshua Skewes‏ @JCSkewesDK Mar 15
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      Replying to @chrisdc77 @IrisVanRooij and

      Yep. The reform process should be open, and this in itself requires thoughtfully constructing a forum. #OpenScienceIMC was intended as a step in this direction. I'd love to write something together. Will get in touch when I've made some much needed progress on dept chair stuff.

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    4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Mar 15
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      Replying to @JCSkewesDK @chrisdc77 and

      In all honesty, apart from open data and open source (which modellers are probably some of the most avid adopters) I do not believe reform in modelling has actually been proposed? We already do cross-val where possible, give the maths behind the model. What new format do we need?

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    5. Brad Wyble‏ @bradpwyble Mar 15
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      Agreed. It hasn't really been explained what needs fixing here. The biggest problem with computational theory work is that there's not enough of it. Once we solve that problem, then other issues might be apparent

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    6. Joshua Skewes‏ @JCSkewesDK Mar 15
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      Replying to @bradpwyble @o_guest and

      My point more broadly is that if our fields are in a reform phase, then humanists and theorists should be involved in determining new institutions in that process. More funding for theory, more acknowledgement of different paper/discourse types, etc would all be part of this.

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    7. Brad Wyble‏ @bradpwyble Mar 15
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      Replying to @JCSkewesDK @o_guest and

      Yes definitely. But the question is whether the misunderstood minority should let the majority group help to set the terms for their own reform. The track record in this process has not been great (IMO) so far.

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    8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Mar 16
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      Replying to @bradpwyble @JCSkewesDK and

      I feel like maybe I've not been clear. I'm very skeptical of the idea that a paper type will help the kind of science I do. Complex problems needs complex solutions. And I'm not even convinced modelling has any deep problems inherent to any of the many different ways it is done.

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    9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Mar 16
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      Replying to @o_guest @bradpwyble and

      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ Retweeted Bart tweets progress.

      There isn't something simple going on with modelling... as I explained many times (e.g., on this account: https://twitter.com/SfPRocur/status/1102957227906949121 …), the issues are very deep and nuanced when they exist AND modelleres already actually do a lot to address them.

      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ added,

      Bart tweets progress. @SfPRocur
      Today I'd like to talk about issues with respect to #openscience and specifically sharing code. But first an intro to what open science is...
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    10. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Mar 16
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      Replying to @o_guest @bradpwyble and

      Anyway the police/city metaphor and the idea that a paper type can help modelling seems too off to me to be of use for modelling. As well as a bit off to be told what our work is like or what our environment is like from those who don't do modelling.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Mar 16
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      Replying to @o_guest @bradpwyble and

      I thought the point was to respect experts and modellers are experts not just on modelling itself but also how they and their work is treated by wider psych/cogsci/neurosci.

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        2. Joshua Skewes‏ @JCSkewesDK Mar 16
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          Replying to @o_guest @bradpwyble and

          Thanks for clarifying. I think we completely agree. Modeling expertise is a form of theorising and experts in modeling need to be part of any reform we might be undergoing. Mine is an argument for diversity in any reform process and I agree the city metaphor is inappropriate.

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        3. Chris Chambers‏Verified account @chrisdc77 Mar 16
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          Replying to @JCSkewesDK @o_guest and

          One of my special skills is coming up with ideas that everyone hates. It’s harder than you might think.

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        4. Joshua Skewes‏ @JCSkewesDK Mar 16
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          Replying to @chrisdc77 @o_guest and

          .....but you didn't seem super committed to the metaphor.

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        5. Joshua Skewes‏ @JCSkewesDK Mar 16
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          Replying to @JCSkewesDK @chrisdc77 and

          If you learn anything in philosophy it's that metaphors can be distracting.

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        6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Mar 16
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          Replying to @JCSkewesDK @chrisdc77 and

          I can't hate it that much because if you, Chris, hadn't used it I would not have realised how we see the world differently in this case. 🤣

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        7. Chris Chambers‏Verified account @chrisdc77 Mar 16
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          Replying to @o_guest @JCSkewesDK and

          It's possible that b/c so much time working to change existing systems from the inside, with all their imperfections & rules, policies & so forth, that my views are a bit restricted - and so I usually tend to see things through a "systems lens", if that makes sense.

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        8. Chris Chambers‏Verified account @chrisdc77 Mar 16
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          Replying to @chrisdc77 @o_guest and

          But this discusison has been helpful for me in seeing what might lie beyond that.

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        9. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij Mar 16
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          Replying to @chrisdc77 @o_guest and

          Iris van Rooij Retweeted Brad Wyble

          Thanks Chris. I did notice others really loved your metaphor & have boosted it despite feedback & pushback from modelers here. So while I appreciate the revision, still a bit worried; as @bradpwyble mentioned in a parallel thread track record isn't great:https://twitter.com/bradpwyble/status/1106578552932175872 …

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          Brad Wyble @bradpwyble
          Replying to @JCSkewesDK @o_guest and 5 others
          Yes definitely. But the question is whether the misunderstood minority should let the majority group help to set the terms for their own reform. The track record in this process has not been great (IMO) so far.
          1 reply 1 retweet 2 likes
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