Otherwise I fear that two things will happen: necessary reforms will be held back by people arguing about the wrong things when they should be working together, and more importantly, fields like theory dev/modelling that stem from different philosophical roots will be subsumed /2
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There isn't something simple going on with modelling... as I explained many times (e.g., on this account: https://twitter.com/SfPRocur/status/1102957227906949121 …), the issues are very deep and nuanced when they exist AND modelleres already actually do a lot to address them.
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Anyway the police/city metaphor and the idea that a paper type can help modelling seems too off to me to be of use for modelling. As well as a bit off to be told what our work is like or what our environment is like from those who don't do modelling.
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I thought the point was to respect experts and modellers are experts not just on modelling itself but also how they and their work is treated by wider psych/cogsci/neurosci.
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Thanks for clarifying. I think we completely agree. Modeling expertise is a form of theorising and experts in modeling need to be part of any reform we might be undergoing. Mine is an argument for diversity in any reform process and I agree the city metaphor is inappropriate.
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One of my special skills is coming up with ideas that everyone hates. It’s harder than you might think.
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.....but you didn't seem super committed to the metaphor.
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If you learn anything in philosophy it's that metaphors can be distracting.
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I can't hate it that much because if you, Chris, hadn't used it I would not have realised how we see the world differently in this case.

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I was agreeing with the idea that we need more than just empiricists contributing to the dialog of how science should work, not that there are deep problems with current theory practice that need addressing (there might be, but it's not apparent what they are at this point)
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