The frightening that I think Ivan showed is that bureaucratization happens as part of the reform process. I think he's right and historically you see this in all reform processes. Take the French Revolution! We need to keep working to make ensure procedures don't reify too much..
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Agreed. It hasn't really been explained what needs fixing here. The biggest problem with computational theory work is that there's not enough of it. Once we solve that problem, then other issues might be apparent
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My point more broadly is that if our fields are in a reform phase, then humanists and theorists should be involved in determining new institutions in that process. More funding for theory, more acknowledgement of different paper/discourse types, etc would all be part of this.
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Yes definitely. But the question is whether the misunderstood minority should let the majority group help to set the terms for their own reform. The track record in this process has not been great (IMO) so far.
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I feel like maybe I've not been clear. I'm very skeptical of the idea that a paper type will help the kind of science I do. Complex problems needs complex solutions. And I'm not even convinced modelling has any deep problems inherent to any of the many different ways it is done.
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There isn't something simple going on with modelling... as I explained many times (e.g., on this account: https://twitter.com/SfPRocur/status/1102957227906949121 …), the issues are very deep and nuanced when they exist AND modelleres already actually do a lot to address them.
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Anyway the police/city metaphor and the idea that a paper type can help modelling seems too off to me to be of use for modelling. As well as a bit off to be told what our work is like or what our environment is like from those who don't do modelling.
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I thought the point was to respect experts and modellers are experts not just on modelling itself but also how they and their work is treated by wider psych/cogsci/neurosci.
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Thanks for clarifying. I think we completely agree. Modeling expertise is a form of theorising and experts in modeling need to be part of any reform we might be undergoing. Mine is an argument for diversity in any reform process and I agree the city metaphor is inappropriate.
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