Isn't that a political and social choice? I agree on principle on doing what needs to be done to give Cypriot Greek what is needed to have it recognized as a dialect. But I have no idea to what extent that work has been done.
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Replying to @nekatomenos @m_heilb and
Yes, we are discussing political and social things. And I ask you to least think about why you calling it a dialect has ramifications or saying it is "uncodified", especially in light of you also saying you don't know that much about this.
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I'm saying I'm not an expert, but also saying that I'm not aware of a commonly accepted standard for spelling syntax and grammar. Linguists are working on those for sure, but is there a universally accepted standard as in (other) languages?
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Replying to @nekatomenos @m_heilb and
Yiorgo... linguistics is not that simple and languages are not centrally controlled. So multiple spellings can be possible and it's still a language and can be written. The premise of your Q is based on a prescriptive understanding of language, which is not a mainstream view.
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Never said it's simple, but am looking for what I can use and what is already around. I'm attempting to figure out how to add Cypriot autocomplete. :)
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Replying to @nekatomenos @m_heilb and
I have a feeling this might help you a little, but you've a long journey ahead to go from the prescriptive view to the descriptive one used in language sciences... but anyway, great and relevant article by Petros here:https://www.thebritishacademy.ac.uk/fragile-future-cypriot-greek-language-uk …
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Thanks for the link, I'll give it a read. But linguistic science notwithstanding, how does this become accessible and understandable to ppl that are not interested in reading up on it? The average user of the language is interested in the prescriptions after all.
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Replying to @nekatomenos @o_guest and
The onus is on us o make our work accessible and available and to raise awareness about what we do and why it is important. But often the answers we have to give do not satisfy some people because, as you say, they look for prescriptive answers that tend to be simple(r)
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Replying to @pkaratsareas @nekatomenos and
Yup, thanks. I think there is some responsibility for all academics to be mindful of how our work is interpreted. Prescriptivism is something so many desire, but it's not a realistic or healthy goal/idea.
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Replying to @o_guest @pkaratsareas and
It ties back into Lockhart's Lament, one of my favourite pieces of text on pedagogy... sadly many people want questions like "how do I solve this maths problem?" or "how do I say/write this in English/Greek?" to have simple answers. https://www.maa.org/external_archive/devlin/LockhartsLament.pdf …
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But they just don't and teaching things that rigidly is damaging — some simplification at young ages is extremely important of course, but so is critical thinking and how to find signal in noise, etc. This very rigid thinking was esp. popular when I was at school in Cyprus.
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Replying to @o_guest @pkaratsareas and
Many Cypriots, through no fault of their own, have not had the chance to escape this way of thinking and I believe it can bring about real damage to, in this case, Cypriot Greek.
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