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    1. Bart tweets progress.‏ @SfPRocur Mar 7
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      End of part 🅰️ (recall the two related parts mentioned closer to the top of the thread) — more later on how we are failing students with respect to coding in another equally depressing way! As usual, please feel free to ask any questions.

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    2. Bart tweets progress.‏ @SfPRocur Mar 8
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      Time for part 🅱️! Why do many educators not teach psych/neuro students at all levels some basic coding skills? This is a massive disservice. And I will elaborate some of the reasons given and why they are bunk.

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    3. Bart tweets progress.‏ @SfPRocur Mar 8
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      One of the big reasons is that formal societies like the BPS as well as other gatekeepers put pressure on psych/neuro/cogsci depts to teach certain specific things to (undergraduate) students otherwise no accreditation.

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    4. Bart tweets progress.‏ @SfPRocur Mar 8
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      This leads to a situation where certain things have to be in the curriculum & it's zero sum because there is only so much you can teach per term... but coding should have a very high priority at the same level as stats.

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    5. Bart tweets progress.‏ @SfPRocur Mar 8
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      And this is especially the case since stats itself IMHO needs some very basic coding skills in a post-SPSS #openscience world — but also just generally, I mean it's being taught to primary school kids in some countries, we can help our students by doing some basic stuff.

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    6. Bart tweets progress.‏ @SfPRocur Mar 8
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      Another big one is people/educators think undergrads in psych/neuro, who are predominantly women, cannot learn to code. Literally, they think it's not possible. Essentially falling back on the "male geek" trope as a reason to not do their job and teach students something useful.

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    7. Bart tweets progress.‏ @SfPRocur Mar 8
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      This unwillingness to see women as coders can be due to so many things: (internalised) sexism, lack of understanding how important coding is, laziness because they think teaching it is hard, lack of imagination so can't see how useful it is for, e.g., labs to have coders.

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    8. Bart tweets progress.‏ @SfPRocur Mar 8
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      So what arguments do these powerful men have over the field, which is mostly less powerful women, actually have against teaching coding to students? I will go over the ones I have seen and address them.https://www.apa.org/monitor/2017/07-08/women-psychology …

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    9. Bart tweets progress.‏ @SfPRocur Mar 8
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      Bart tweets progress. Retweeted Lampros Bisdounis

      🗣️ "People choose psych as an easy undergrad, coding will make it hard and we will lose students." Being a therapist/clinician isn't easy. And stats, which we do teach, isn't easy. So you'll prob not lose anybody quite the opposite they'll prob love it:https://twitter.com/lam_bis/status/1066425317529653249 …

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      I’m the student who led the petition for an advanced stats class that @dalejbarr mentioned. I have no experience in shaping academic curriculums (unlike the rest of the people in this thread) but for me the idea that psych undergrads can’t learn programming is not true
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    10. Eric Lawton‏ @Eric0Lawton Mar 8
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      That's a strange idea. FWIW, I think psychology is far harder than, for example, theoretical physics. Which is why humans know less about it and we're not as far from folk psychology as from folk physics, which could be why what we teach UGs doesn't seem as hard to learn.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Mar 8
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      It's definitely very noisy. 👏🏼

      9:56 AM - 8 Mar 2019
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