Honest question: If you advocate open science, but do not care about putting in the work to do open science in a way that helps and not harms people, what are you advocating open science for? (disclaimer: if you read this and think it is addressed to you, it probably isn't)
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Replying to @IrisVanRooij
It certainly does not seem to aim at finding a modus vivendi
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Replying to @twitemp1
Perhaps I misunderstand the term, but it does not seem to me that a 'compromise' is needed; I am asking instead, a push for open science that does not care to put in effort to safeguard the humanity and safety of its own practices ... what is it for?
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Replying to @IrisVanRooij
Yes, I understood what you meant. To me, the term does not imply compromise but simply a provision of means to let people coexist in peace (probably the meaning in English/Dutch doesn't correspond exactly to that in Latin based languages).
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Replying to @twitemp1 @IrisVanRooij
What I meant is that the OS movement does not seem to care about minimum(s/a) of coexistence.
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Replying to @twitemp1 @IrisVanRooij
Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ Retweeted Titus Brown
SOME do. Some make really good stuff. But the ones that you two mean don't. But I can guide you to e.g., https://twitter.com/ctitusbrown/status/1099015576624623616 … and
@daniellecrobins blogs and@kirstie_j too!Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ added,
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The problem we have to deal with is how these people are not discussed as much within the areas of open science we inhabit... and that's a genuinely valuable question.
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I think the reasons are really complex and they do boils down to people not thinking deeply about what open even means. A very sad truth.
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+100 on the point that different areas of Open* define it very differently. There's one person who said a few months ago "If you want to include diversity you have to call it something else, Open Science works just fine as it is" and it bothers me every day.
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Replying to @kirstie_j @o_guest and
Actually, the awareness of the importance of inclusion in different areas of Open Source, Open Science, Open Research, Open Access etc etc is really variable across communities. Some of the oldest are the ones that care the most. They're what give me hope that times will change.pic.twitter.com/dGzLjLQIMK
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I think it's tricky to claim the older ones are better when it's the case that one of the oldest is pretty bad... BUT yes, a really good indicator of if an open movement will be open is to see who it is open to? Otherwise how will it survive as "open"?https://www.wired.com/2017/06/diversity-open-source-even-worse-tech-overall/ …
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