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    1. KordingLab‏ @KordingLab Feb 16
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      Replying to @ProfData @twitemp1 and

      I see this group as being part of a deep and real intellectual struggle with the underpinnings of the field.

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    2. Bradley Love‏ @ProfData Feb 16
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      Replying to @KordingLab @twitemp1 and

      I guess a lot of these scientific challenges are longstanding and a lot of people have grappled with them over time, but the current discussion seems fairly dominated by a small group that is ridiculously interconnected and self-referring that it can be an echo chamber.

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    3. KordingLab‏ @KordingLab Feb 16
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      Replying to @ProfData @twitemp1 and

      But they massively disagree with one another! And the discussion is open. And, in a charitable reading, it would seem unsurprising that those interested in the logical underpinnings would know one another. They are a community in the same way as the V1 people are a community.

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    4. Bradley Love‏ @ProfData Feb 16
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      Replying to @KordingLab @twitemp1 and

      It's disagreement among club members though. That said, I do think most people have the good intentions and a lot of great work is being done. Perhaps it just self-organises into a strange beast.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    5. KordingLab‏ @KordingLab Feb 16
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      Replying to @ProfData @twitemp1 and

      But upon re-reading the thread. I know relatively few of the others. So I guess I am not a full member.

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    6. KordingLab‏ @KordingLab Feb 16
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      Replying to @KordingLab @ProfData and

      Also, given the point of humility. The entire club agrees that we need to be far more humble about what we know ;). In a way, that may be the only thing they have in common.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    7. Bradley Love‏ @ProfData Feb 16
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      Replying to @KordingLab @twitemp1 and

      Let's leave us out of this :-), but I hear a lot of we know so little (I'm not sure that's even true!) but so-and-so (who I am in a club with) is the person who will solve it! It's a bit gross.

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    8. Bradley Love‏ @ProfData Feb 16
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      Replying to @ProfData @KordingLab and

      One sign of progress may be more focus on ideas rather than personalities.

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    9. Jessica AF Thompson 🧠 🤖 🤔 👩‍💻 ✊‏ @tsonj Feb 16
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      Replying to @ProfData @KordingLab and

      A twitter prayer: May I go into each thread asking “what can I learn from these people?” and not “how can I convince them and everyone else that I’m right?”

      1 reply 6 retweets 23 likes
    10. correct the record‏ @LydiaManiatis Feb 22
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      Replying to @tsonj @ProfData and

      That sounds pretty passive. Why not share your thoughts, if you disagree?

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 22
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      Replying to @LydiaManiatis @tsonj and

      She's talking about people (not herself!) who have already shared directly or indirectly what they think in many cases because their views are mainstream and/or they already have a powerful platform. Let's please not fall into the trap of context collapse. 😅

      3:28 AM - 22 Feb 2019
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        2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 22
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          Replying to @o_guest @LydiaManiatis and

          Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ Retweeted Bradley Love

          I just noticed Brad tweeted this, which probably captures the overarching theme of some of this thread...https://twitter.com/ProfData/status/1098905638891999232 …

          Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ added,

          Bradley Love @ProfData
          New blog, "Fast food science is a shit sandwich". Are we expediting science by engaging in real-time, interactive debate or are we instead making deep thought and inquiry that much more difficult? http://bradlove.org/blog/fast-food-science … pic.twitter.com/LKKNKtUXg5
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        3. correct the record‏ @LydiaManiatis Feb 22
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          Replying to @o_guest @tsonj and

          I like the frankness of the title...

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        4. correct the record‏ @LydiaManiatis Feb 22
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          Replying to @LydiaManiatis @o_guest and

          But I think blanket statements about a complex function/environment like twitter, which has undoubtedly played a very positive role in many respects, is pointless. Important points can be made briefly, or in threads, just not always.

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        5. Bradley Love‏ @ProfData Feb 22
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          Replying to @LydiaManiatis @o_guest and

          Sensible! There are some comments at the end of the blog where twitter can (and does) serve useful and positive functions.

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        6. correct the record‏ @LydiaManiatis Feb 22
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          Replying to @ProfData @o_guest and

          What I found so cool about it is that you can talk to people who you'd never get a chance to otherwise...

          0 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
        7. End of conversation
        1. New conversation
        2. correct the record‏ @LydiaManiatis Feb 22
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          Replying to @o_guest @tsonj and

          So when she says "I" she's not talking about herself?? Sorry, I missed that nuance.

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 22
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          Replying to @LydiaManiatis @tsonj and

          Maybe she has the time to explain...

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        4. Matthew Leavitt‏ @leavittron Feb 22
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          Replying to @o_guest @LydiaManiatis and

          She's generously chosen to do a lot of explaining already, so I'll take a stab at this. I believe her intent was to declare an attitude for engaging on (science) twitter and invite others to adopt it. The language of prayer is to convey hope, redemption, and communal adoption.

          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
        5. Matthew Leavitt‏ @leavittron Feb 22
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          Replying to @leavittron @o_guest and

          I dunno if that was grotesque mansplaination but I feel like there are a few people doing a lot of the heavy lifting and they need a break

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        6. correct the record‏ @LydiaManiatis Feb 22
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          Replying to @leavittron @o_guest and

          I think that if you're not willing to fight for your ideas they won't get much traction, even if they're right. And it's well known that putting them out there as strongly as possible is the best way to expose their flaws. Nothing wrong with being wrong.

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        7. Matthew Leavitt‏ @leavittron Feb 22
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          Replying to @LydiaManiatis @o_guest and

          I don't disagree, but I think tone and context are challenging on twitter. And the concerns are over tone & intent. "Strength" is an ambiguous word. A clear, well-formulated argument and "I dont believe u cuz fMRI sux" are both "strong" statements.

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        8. Jessica AF Thompson 🧠 🤖 🤔 👩‍💻 ✊‏ @tsonj Feb 22
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          Replying to @leavittron @LydiaManiatis and

          put another way, I want to put ideas against each other, not people. Displays of social dominance in one's tone serve to put one person above another, rather than one idea above another.

          0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
        9. End of conversation
        1. Jessica AF Thompson 🧠 🤖 🤔 👩‍💻 ✊‏ @tsonj Feb 22
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          Replying to @o_guest @LydiaManiatis and

          There was a context, but it was still intended as a statement of personal intention that I invite others to adopt as well. “I” means “me” means “you” means “us”. Trying to establish norms, as @twitemp1 hinted at in her thread today.

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