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    1. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij Feb 21
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      fwiw, I feel shame for my past attempts at getting the point accross. (not that I succeeded)

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    2. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij Feb 21
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      On a more positive note: I believe that knowing exactly *how* are models are wrong is actually progress / informative /a good thing.

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    3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 22
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      Date I say... It's Science! 😅

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    4. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij Feb 22
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      It’s true, but I think we need to value knowing how we’re wrong, and what we can learn from that, more than we currently do. Had very interesting dinner discussion about how any feature of (good) science seems susceptible to heuristification, & what to do about it. Not easy ...

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    5. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij Feb 22
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      Iris van Rooij Retweeted Iris van Rooij

      That cues me to pose the Q more generally in my TL:https://twitter.com/irisvanrooij/status/1098861163822153729?s=21 …

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      Iris van Rooij @IrisVanRooij
      Had very interesting dinner discussion o.a with @dstephenlindsay @andrea_e_martin @MarkBlokpoel abt how any feature of (good) science seems susceptible to heuristification**, & what to do about it. Not easy. I’m curious, what do you do in your teaching/training to counter this?
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    6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 22
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      Oh, yeah. It the core of modelling and utterly undervalued.

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    7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 22
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      The real QPR is not doing modelling. 😂

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    8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 22
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      To be clear, when I said it's science it wasn't to undermine your point but to say that it's something so central and yet overlooked.

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    9. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij Feb 22
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      Ah yes, well understood! About ‘QRP being not-modeling’, the nuance I had wanted to bring in was that also among modelers there is heuristification. I just think it is a pervasive human tendency (esp. when dealing with high resource demands under resource limitations).

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    10. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij Feb 22
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      Oh, and culture. I mean, among modelers there can also be a strong sentiment ‘this is just how we do things’, and if what you say does not fit our way of doing things my model is not wrong but *you* are.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 22
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      I'm always flummoxed and jealous when people say "among cognitive modellers"... Where do you all hang out so much? I'm almost always alone or just with 1-2 others.

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        2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 22
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          I don't have enough variance to generalise. 😂😭

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        3. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij Feb 22
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          I mean mostly at conferences, workshops, in reviews etc. But yes, I have been lucky to have a few modelers around occassionally, but hardly enough of them! Still quite rare ...

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        4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 22
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          I haven't seen this at conferences. Typically at conferences where it's just modellers the biggest issue was older men being creeps. Modelling-wise I felt things were good and people weren't so monolithic/authoritarian.

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        5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 22
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          I have seen it from very specific groups. But I hope/believe they don't represent us as a community.

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        6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 22
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          And yeah, I've seen it in reviews but again not sure if I'd call some of the essentially anti-modelling anti-diversityof models people modellers. Maybe I'm too narrow in my definition. 😂

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