Don’t wish to detract from main point, just sharing: also run up against Box-hacking when I try discuss issue of model intractability w/ cog scientists. I’d say it shows model is wrong in a relevant way; whereas they’d object/wave it by saying “well all models are wrong”.
To be clear, when I said it's science it wasn't to undermine your point but to say that it's something so central and yet overlooked.
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Ah yes, well understood! About ‘QRP being not-modeling’, the nuance I had wanted to bring in was that also among modelers there is heuristification. I just think it is a pervasive human tendency (esp. when dealing with high resource demands under resource limitations).
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Oh, and culture. I mean, among modelers there can also be a strong sentiment ‘this is just how we do things’, and if what you say does not fit our way of doing things my model is not wrong but *you* are.
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I'm always flummoxed and jealous when people say "among cognitive modellers"... Where do you all hang out so much? I'm almost always alone or just with 1-2 others.
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I don't have enough variance to generalise.


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I mean mostly at conferences, workshops, in reviews etc. But yes, I have been lucky to have a few modelers around occassionally, but hardly enough of them! Still quite rare ...
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I haven't seen this at conferences. Typically at conferences where it's just modellers the biggest issue was older men being creeps. Modelling-wise I felt things were good and people weren't so monolithic/authoritarian.
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I have seen it from very specific groups. But I hope/believe they don't represent us as a community.
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And yeah, I've seen it in reviews but again not sure if I'd call some of the essentially anti-modelling anti-diversityof models people modellers. Maybe I'm too narrow in my definition.
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