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    1. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 21
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      Replying to @o_guest @marcolin91 and

      I've also been invited to stuff that they're absolutely no way I would have without Twitter. It's a strange place, but we have to be aware of the nasty stuff too. Because even despite all this lovely social and professional stuff, I was considering leaving Twitter in 2017...

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    2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 21
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      Replying to @o_guest @marcolin91 and

      It really was such a terrible experience. And I mean within science Twitter. There are some very horrible views and behaviours, which I have a thick skin to interpersonally but no tolerance for on a higher level.

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    3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 21
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      Replying to @o_guest @marcolin91 and

      And the reason it happens is because people don't notice, and through ignorance and inaction really exclusive spaces that harm are formed. I don't want to contribute to a space even indirectly which is even 1% toxic without calling it out.

      3 replies 2 retweets 6 likes
    4. Jessica AF Thompson 🧠 🤖 🤔 👩‍💻 ✊‏ @tsonj Feb 21
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      Replying to @o_guest @marcolin91 and

      I've had to leave a couple of toxic academic environments. They shared the characteristic that any discussion would devolve into a small group of male professors literally yelling at each other. If you're in that group or can imagine joining it, that can be a lot of fun, I gather

      2 replies 2 retweets 8 likes
    5. Jessica AF Thompson 🧠 🤖 🤔 👩‍💻 ✊‏ @tsonj Feb 21
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      Replying to @tsonj @o_guest and

      Once, when I tried to bring up some of the more heinous aspects of their culture, I was literally asked to leave, essentially for not assimilating. Basically 'play by our rules or gtfo'

      2 replies 2 retweets 12 likes
    6. Blake Richards‏ @tyrell_turing Feb 21
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      Replying to @tsonj @o_guest and

      Yeah, as you surmised, it *can* be fun if you're comfortable with aggression and willing to muscle your way in. So, I bet the reaction to you was, "we're having fun, back off". But, science needs to be a professional place that is welcoming to all - a culture change is required.

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    7. Jessica AF Thompson 🧠 🤖 🤔 👩‍💻 ✊‏ @tsonj Feb 21
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      Replying to @tyrell_turing @o_guest and

      Yep, their reaction was indeed "you're ruining our fun". But for the record, I wasn't even trying to bring up their combative discussions. I was trying to get them to stop encouraging sexual harassment!

      2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
    8. Blake Richards‏ @tyrell_turing Feb 21
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      Replying to @tsonj @o_guest and

      Oh, JFC, that was just completely inexcusable of them then!!! They should have listened to you either way, but "we're having fun fighting each other" is a far, far more acceptable infringement of professional conduct than, "we're having fun encouraging sexual harassment"!

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    9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 21
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      Replying to @tyrell_turing @tsonj and

      Why is it exclusionary communities like these end up being all like this? If you only have "white dudes", you end up doing "locker room talk" apparently. 🙄

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    10. Blake Richards‏ @tyrell_turing Feb 21
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      Replying to @o_guest @tsonj and

      As someone who spent many formative years in hockey locker rooms, it's easy to explain: all humans (not just white dudes) enjoy signalling group membership and status. But, for white dudes engaged in a high aggression activity, group status is signalled by being hard, mean, etc.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 21
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      Replying to @tyrell_turing @tsonj and

      As someone who spent many formative years being an immigrant, I can assure you women do not descend into sexual language about men (anybody) anywhere near as often (i.e., basically never) as men seem to based on what men tell me.

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        2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 21
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          Replying to @o_guest @tyrell_turing and

          Same for racism when white people think PoCs are not around.

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 21
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          Replying to @o_guest @tyrell_turing and

          Because I'm an ethnic minority and let me tell you the things I hear when people think the coast is clear about my people and other ethnic groups... WILD. It's so creepy how when they think "oh, phew, we can chat" — the whole vibe of the room changes.

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        4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 21
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          Replying to @o_guest @tyrell_turing and

          My skin is pale enough to grant me white privilege, but oh, fuck, it's also a ticket into a world where my mum is "ugly" and "no, that's not your mum, right?". So yeah, I think these spaces exist and those who have extreme privilege never get to see what's going on by design. 😢

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        5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 21
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          Replying to @o_guest @tyrell_turing and

          To deconstruct that exclusionary aspect there are cases where like @tom_hartley said the most privileged have to do the heavy lifting but there are cases where it's not possible for you to. You literally have to stop and let us talk without interruptions as well.

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        6. Aidan Horner‏ @aidanhorner Feb 21
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          Replying to @o_guest @tyrell_turing and

          Personally, I find this balance very tricky - between speaking out, and shutting up. I'm naturally talkative, so I have to try to identify moments where it is best for me to be quiet, and then consciously shut-up (I don't always succeed).

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        7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 21
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          Replying to @aidanhorner @tyrell_turing and

          You're good IMHO, Aidan. Keep up the solid work. ☺

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        2. Blake Richards‏ @tyrell_turing Feb 21
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          Replying to @o_guest @tsonj and

          Oh, I'm sure not. But, based on what my wife and female friends have told me, women have other ways of signalling group membership and status. It's just that in traditional, patriarchal male culture, status is founded on being hard and mean to "lower status" ppl, including women.

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        3. Tom Hartley‏ @tom_hartley Feb 21
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          Replying to @tyrell_turing @o_guest and

          I realize you're not defending this culture, but is there more that we can do to attack it. It's a massive problem, and it can't just be up to women to solve it.

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        4. Blake Richards‏ @tyrell_turing Feb 21
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          Replying to @tom_hartley @o_guest and

          Oh, I'm 100% not defending it!!!! And it's not up to women at all! It's up to us men. It requires us giving each other *less* status when one of us get aggressive and mean.

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        5. Tom Hartley‏ @tom_hartley Feb 21
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          Replying to @tyrell_turing @o_guest and

          Because of the way status works in male groups (it seems to me), that means each man has to say less, listen more, and leave more space for others. With that in mind - I need to stop interjecting!

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        6. Marco lin‏ @marcolin91 Feb 21
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          Replying to @tom_hartley @tyrell_turing and

          I'm reluctant to say this in my position but I hope it'll be taken as constructive: I disagree that men should simply say less. Also on the role of 'might is right' It's all maladaptive in their lack of nuance Show might if you're right. Or the wrong will have all the might.

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        7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 21
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          Replying to @marcolin91 @tom_hartley and

          Yeah, please punch Nazis, for example.

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        8. Marco lin‏ @marcolin91 Feb 21
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          Replying to @o_guest @tom_hartley and

          Yes but srsly, Ive thought a lot on this issue, in part due to having experienced Dutch Frat culture. Men must speak the language of strength and aggression, if they are to change the issue from within, with more than dismissal and avoidance. I feel this fact is often ignored

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