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    1. Blake Richards‏ @tyrell_turing Feb 20
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      I’m sorry, Jessica, but I don’t follow... all I did was express my opinions on the topic, and I tried hard to never be disparaging of anyone’s comments (with the possible exception of beleaguered Romain, but he’s senior to me). What was the issue with my behaviour on that thread?

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    2. KordingLab‏ @KordingLab Feb 20
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      Replying to @tyrell_turing @tsonj and

      Isn't Blake a bit young to be called powerful? I mean I love him and he should be powerful. But is he already perceived as such?

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    3. Blake Richards‏ @tyrell_turing Feb 20
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      Replying to @KordingLab @tsonj and

      Yeah, I’m actually pretty weak... 😝 But, more generally, even if I were a big wig, I’m having trouble seeing the issue with my participation in the thread... regardless of status, what’s wrong with having strong positions and stating them in a respectful manner?

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    4. Daniel Herrera‏ @dherrera1911 Feb 20
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      Replying to @tyrell_turing @KordingLab and

      I personally think I got great stuff out of those exchanges, as a mere spectator. Some combativeness was definitely nice. It seems to me like there is a lot of confusion, and that discussing it out loud is great, and the more people talking about the underpinnings, the better

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    5. Daniel Herrera‏ @dherrera1911 Feb 20
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      Replying to @dherrera1911 @tyrell_turing and

      BTW, as a grad student, if I haven't participated in these discussions yet, it's definitively not because of the tone, though Twitter may not be the most reliable tone transmitter

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    6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 21
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      Replying to @dherrera1911 @tyrell_turing and

      I have to say that in private I get very different stuff from others and I think it's really important to bear in mind the sampling bias here. There are people who don't feel comfortable sharing their perspective and they are not just a few people or just students.

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    7. KordingLab‏ @KordingLab Feb 21
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      Replying to @o_guest @dherrera1911 and

      It is not only sampling bias. I believe that twitter also changes us. E.g. If you join twitter you will be pro open science soon because you are talking with the users of your stuff. Also may make you into a nicer person because people will call you out.

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    8. Marco lin‏ @marcolin91 Feb 21
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      Replying to @KordingLab @o_guest and

      Tweets are like splinter of salience and valence modulation that quickly coalesce into what reflects robust motifs. Even on issues I actually don't really care about, I feel this pull to form opinions on them, despite knowing that what I've been exposed to is a bad basis for it

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    9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 21
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      Replying to @marcolin91 @KordingLab and

      Some of the coolest and most interesting people I know are purely connections I made through science Twitter, while other friendships have been created w people who I barely met offline... There are Nazis though on here too, genuine fascists, and I do mean within our fields...

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    10. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 21
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      Replying to @o_guest @marcolin91 and

      I've also been invited to stuff that they're absolutely no way I would have without Twitter. It's a strange place, but we have to be aware of the nasty stuff too. Because even despite all this lovely social and professional stuff, I was considering leaving Twitter in 2017...

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 21
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      Replying to @o_guest @marcolin91 and

      It really was such a terrible experience. And I mean within science Twitter. There are some very horrible views and behaviours, which I have a thick skin to interpersonally but no tolerance for on a higher level.

      4:24 AM - 21 Feb 2019
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        2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 21
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          Replying to @o_guest @marcolin91 and

          And the reason it happens is because people don't notice, and through ignorance and inaction really exclusive spaces that harm are formed. I don't want to contribute to a space even indirectly which is even 1% toxic without calling it out.

          3 replies 2 retweets 6 likes
        3. Jessica AF Thompson 🧠 🤖 🤔 👩‍💻 ✊‏ @tsonj Feb 21
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          Replying to @o_guest @marcolin91 and

          I've had to leave a couple of toxic academic environments. They shared the characteristic that any discussion would devolve into a small group of male professors literally yelling at each other. If you're in that group or can imagine joining it, that can be a lot of fun, I gather

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        4. Jessica AF Thompson 🧠 🤖 🤔 👩‍💻 ✊‏ @tsonj Feb 21
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          Replying to @tsonj @o_guest and

          Once, when I tried to bring up some of the more heinous aspects of their culture, I was literally asked to leave, essentially for not assimilating. Basically 'play by our rules or gtfo'

          2 replies 2 retweets 12 likes
        5. Blake Richards‏ @tyrell_turing Feb 21
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          Replying to @tsonj @o_guest and

          Yeah, as you surmised, it *can* be fun if you're comfortable with aggression and willing to muscle your way in. So, I bet the reaction to you was, "we're having fun, back off". But, science needs to be a professional place that is welcoming to all - a culture change is required.

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        6. Jessica AF Thompson 🧠 🤖 🤔 👩‍💻 ✊‏ @tsonj Feb 21
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          Replying to @tyrell_turing @o_guest and

          Yep, their reaction was indeed "you're ruining our fun". But for the record, I wasn't even trying to bring up their combative discussions. I was trying to get them to stop encouraging sexual harassment!

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        7. Blake Richards‏ @tyrell_turing Feb 21
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          Replying to @tsonj @o_guest and

          Oh, JFC, that was just completely inexcusable of them then!!! They should have listened to you either way, but "we're having fun fighting each other" is a far, far more acceptable infringement of professional conduct than, "we're having fun encouraging sexual harassment"!

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        8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 21
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          Replying to @tyrell_turing @tsonj and

          Why is it exclusionary communities like these end up being all like this? If you only have "white dudes", you end up doing "locker room talk" apparently. 🙄

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        9. Blake Richards‏ @tyrell_turing Feb 21
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          Replying to @o_guest @tsonj and

          As someone who spent many formative years in hockey locker rooms, it's easy to explain: all humans (not just white dudes) enjoy signalling group membership and status. But, for white dudes engaged in a high aggression activity, group status is signalled by being hard, mean, etc.

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        1. Marco lin‏ @marcolin91 Feb 21
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          Replying to @o_guest @KordingLab and

          Really sorry to hear you had to go through that! Please take this dose of positivity not as a dismissal of the crappiness but wishing you a Nazi free Twitter. They'll did out soon enough I'm surehttps://youtu.be/rwxwq_gBm6o 

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