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    1. Berna D.‏ @zerdeve Feb 17
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      Berna D. Retweeted Richard D. Morey

      Hmmm not sure I buy this analogy but it could just be me having difficulty following analogies in general. I get sidetracked trying to work out the intended meaning. (e.g., you can make glass from sand. glass is pretty cool, no? there i lost the analogy altogether 🤷🏻‍♀️)https://twitter.com/richarddmorey/status/1095269564064116737 …

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      Richard D. Morey @richarddmorey
      One cannot build a house from sand. A house is not a *solution* to the fact that your building material is sand: it is a potential *effect* of having solid building material. Theory is similar. Physics, biology, were built on centuries of observation (eg astronomy, breeding)
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    2. Richard D. Morey‏ @richarddmorey Feb 17
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      The idea is that productive theories have a relationship to empirical understanding (theories organize it in some way) as well as offering new content. Having to account for unreliable findings makes theory very difficult. Yes, you can have theory ex nihilo, but more productive >

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    3. Richard D. Morey‏ @richarddmorey Feb 17
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      > theories are produced by a back and forth between data and theory. I myself don't think theory is a solution to the particular problems facing psychology at this point. Theory is crucial -- the most important thing -- but some areas are a few steps away from productive theory.

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    4. Richard D. Morey‏ @richarddmorey Feb 17
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      (but not everywhere in psych, of course!)

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 17
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      You mean some areas basically have no data?

      12:36 PM - 17 Feb 2019
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        2. Richard D. Morey‏ @richarddmorey Feb 17
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          I think they don't know what they have. Imagine trying to work out a model of planetary motion if you had some kids' doodles in there is data, but didn't know (or insert unreliable data of your choice). Would be difficult. I don't think good theory can really clean that up.

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        3. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij Feb 17
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          Iris van Rooij Retweeted Patrick S. Forscher

          Personally, I think theory is not to explain data, but key phenomena that make up a field of study. When I asked social psychologists about what these phenomena are for social psych, the overlap in perspectives seems substantial (e.g. https://twitter.com/psforscher/status/1069730242401632257 …)

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          Patrick S. Forscher @psforscher
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          This is just my perception -- social cognition has been enormously influential in social psych, so cognition, I'd say (though there are exceptions). I have a dim view of most "theory" is social psych but I think we have a common explanandum
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        4. Richard D. Morey‏ @richarddmorey Feb 17
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          I agree except that "phenomena" is already theory-laden; they are a weakly theoretical organization of data.

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        5. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij Feb 17
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          Yes. As they should be in my view.

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        6. Richard D. Morey‏ @richarddmorey Feb 17
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          sure, hence my view that theories organize data (I think we're saying something very similar to one another)

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        7. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij Feb 17
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          But we use our intuitions to organize observations in ways that we cannot yet capture in formal theory, but we need it to build formal theory. Later we can clean things up. As Berna said, it takes substantial and cumulative work. Waiting for more data isn't needed, nor wise imho.

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        8. Richard D. Morey‏ @richarddmorey Feb 17
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          In case we don't have confidence in the observations, though, there is a problem even with intuitive organization. There are kinds of systematicity needed in observation that, if lacking, impedes progress. That's where I see the current problem. The communication breakdown b/w >

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        9. Richard D. Morey‏ @richarddmorey Feb 17
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          > say, Rich Shiffrin and others has to do with the fact (imo) that Rich is a careful systematic experimentalist as well as a successful theoretician. Much psychology relies on the work of others, though, and so building cultures of careful experimentation >

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