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    1. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 16
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      Replying to @o_guest @dan_marinazzo and

      It's not a month that goes by that I don't' see papers in prestigious journals that don't cite whole swathes of other bits of the same field. I don't want to name examples, but many come to mind including ones where I personally (and Brad) have called out/attention to on Twitter.

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    2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 16
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      Replying to @o_guest @dan_marinazzo and

      About "moving fast and breaking things" though, since it was basically mentioned as a stance... Let's not? Let's try to be a bit more respectful to our field and colleagues? Let's optimise that? The whole point of doing it right #OpenScience etc., is actually stopping to think.

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    3. Esther Mondragón‏ @twitemp1 Feb 16
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      Replying to @o_guest @dan_marinazzo and

      Agreed. I think we all know that Twitter is not the ideal media for having a relaxed and carefully thought discussion about anything. It promotes coarse statements and disputes, particularly among individuals with, say, too much bile.

      1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
    4. Esther Mondragón‏ @twitemp1 Feb 16
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      Replying to @twitemp1 @o_guest and

      But it is what we have at hand and I fear we are misusing it. Perhaps we should try to minimise using it as a competition scenario and fruitless winning/loose dynamics.

      3 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
    5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 16
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      Replying to @twitemp1 @dan_marinazzo and

      My biggest sadness isn't that Twitter interactions suck often it's that the literature, like I said, genuinely is getting pretty messed up.

      1 reply 1 retweet 8 likes
    6. Bradley Love‏ @ProfData Feb 16
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      Replying to @o_guest @twitemp1 and

      Every group or subfield has to rediscover and relabel what others have done because of some combination of ignorance and credit assignment drive.

      2 replies 2 retweets 8 likes
    7. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij Feb 16
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      Replying to @ProfData @o_guest and

      Iris van Rooij Retweeted Iris van Rooij

      Also:https://twitter.com/irisvanrooij/status/1084081812421398528?s=21 …

      Iris van Rooij added,

      Iris van Rooij @IrisVanRooij
      Replying to @kimberlyquinn @JenniRodd
      Often observe whole subfields forget what was already known long ago & take a decades to ‘rediscover’. This particular pertains to known fundamental theoretical problems and hiates. It seems more attractive to think we are making progress while we are just lost without knowing.
      3 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
    8. Marco lin‏ @marcolin91 Feb 16
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij @ProfData and

      What's the solution though? Isn't the problem one of epistemological infrastructure? As discipline(s) grows more complex, the lack of cohesion becomes self-reinforcing, what could counter this? I can only dream of a kind of knowledge base, a wikipedia on AI and OSF steroids

      2 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
    9. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij Feb 16
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      Replying to @marcolin91 @ProfData and

      Iris van Rooij Retweeted Iris van Rooij

      I am not convinced the problem is merely a lack of epistemological infrastructure, or rather, I think that infrastructure may be blocked by motivations and incentives to be 'ignorant' in some sense:https://twitter.com/IrisVanRooij/status/1096893486538870784 …

      Iris van Rooij added,

      Iris van Rooij @IrisVanRooij
      Replying to @twitemp1 @NeuroStats and 5 others
      I phrased it neutrally, but I agree that it may be partly motivated ignorance. I generally notice that people are quite selective what type of work they build on, cite or ignore as if the citations are not just scientifically motivated but also serve a social signaling function.
      2 replies 1 retweet 5 likes
    10. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 16
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij @marcolin91 and

      @bradpwyble had a great point somewhere in this thread on exactly this too, incentives not to read, (or even, I add, incentives not to tell your PhD students to read), etc.

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 16
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      Replying to @o_guest @IrisVanRooij and

      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ Retweeted Brad Wyble

      Here!https://twitter.com/bradpwyble/status/1096817030173544448 …

      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ added,

      Brad Wyble @bradpwyble
      Replying to @twitemp1 @o_guest and 4 others
      This is part of a larger problem in which we are actually incentivized to ignore other fields when writing. The potential cost of this is minimal (get called out in review, and fix it), but the benefit of ignoring other fields is huge (one usually gets away with claiming novelty)
      2:12 PM - 16 Feb 2019
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      • Matt Davis Smiling Neuron Alex Danvers Manjari Narayan Brad Wyble KordingLab Iris van Rooij Esther Mondragón Marco lin
      2 replies 1 retweet 9 likes
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        2. Manjari Narayan‏ @NeuroStats Feb 16
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          Replying to @o_guest @IrisVanRooij and

          Nice point. I naively think of this as failing to do a good lit review, but it doesn't explain why. I wish there was a better reward structure for slow/deep science.

          1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
        3. Brad Wyble‏ @bradpwyble Feb 16
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          Replying to @NeuroStats @o_guest and

          Yea, there are some, including a sense of deep satisfaction that you're doing good works, etc. But it's hard to get there and there are a lot of easier exits along the way.

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        1. Brad Wyble‏ @bradpwyble Feb 16
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          Replying to @o_guest @IrisVanRooij and

          Yea good point. Not an inspiring message.

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