It's not a month that goes by that I don't' see papers in prestigious journals that don't cite whole swathes of other bits of the same field. I don't want to name examples, but many come to mind including ones where I personally (and Brad) have called out/attention to on Twitter.
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Replying to @o_guest @dan_marinazzo and
About "moving fast and breaking things" though, since it was basically mentioned as a stance... Let's not? Let's try to be a bit more respectful to our field and colleagues? Let's optimise that? The whole point of doing it right
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Replying to @o_guest @dan_marinazzo and
Agreed. I think we all know that Twitter is not the ideal media for having a relaxed and carefully thought discussion about anything. It promotes coarse statements and disputes, particularly among individuals with, say, too much bile.
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But it is what we have at hand and I fear we are misusing it. Perhaps we should try to minimise using it as a competition scenario and fruitless winning/loose dynamics.
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Replying to @twitemp1 @dan_marinazzo and
My biggest sadness isn't that Twitter interactions suck often it's that the literature, like I said, genuinely is getting pretty messed up.
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Every group or subfield has to rediscover and relabel what others have done because of some combination of ignorance and credit assignment drive.
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Iris van Rooij @IrisVanRooijReplying to @kimberlyquinn @JenniRoddOften observe whole subfields forget what was already known long ago & take a decades to ‘rediscover’. This particular pertains to known fundamental theoretical problems and hiates. It seems more attractive to think we are making progress while we are just lost without knowing.3 replies 0 retweets 7 likes -
Replying to @IrisVanRooij @ProfData and
What's the solution though? Isn't the problem one of epistemological infrastructure? As discipline(s) grows more complex, the lack of cohesion becomes self-reinforcing, what could counter this? I can only dream of a kind of knowledge base, a wikipedia on AI and OSF steroids
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I am not convinced the problem is merely a lack of epistemological infrastructure, or rather, I think that infrastructure may be blocked by motivations and incentives to be 'ignorant' in some sense:https://twitter.com/IrisVanRooij/status/1096893486538870784 …
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Iris van Rooij @IrisVanRooijReplying to @twitemp1 @NeuroStats and 5 othersI phrased it neutrally, but I agree that it may be partly motivated ignorance. I generally notice that people are quite selective what type of work they build on, cite or ignore as if the citations are not just scientifically motivated but also serve a social signaling function.2 replies 1 retweet 5 likes -
Replying to @IrisVanRooij @marcolin91 and
@bradpwyble had a great point somewhere in this thread on exactly this too, incentives not to read, (or even, I add, incentives not to tell your PhD students to read), etc.1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
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Replying to @o_guest @IrisVanRooij and
Nice point. I naively think of this as failing to do a good lit review, but it doesn't explain why. I wish there was a better reward structure for slow/deep science.
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Replying to @NeuroStats @o_guest and
Yea, there are some, including a sense of deep satisfaction that you're doing good works, etc. But it's hard to get there and there are a lot of easier exits along the way.
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Replying to @o_guest @IrisVanRooij and
Yea good point. Not an inspiring message.
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