About "moving fast and breaking things" though, since it was basically mentioned as a stance... Let's not? Let's try to be a bit more respectful to our field and colleagues? Let's optimise that? The whole point of doing it right #OpenScience etc., is actually stopping to think.
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Maybe, but don't forget - "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity". Anyway, I have an early start with 2 young children, so I can't continue this interesting discussion. I look forward to >100 notifications in the morning!
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Good night Aidan! While you're off my first contribution to those 100 notifications will be this (I try to avoid ableist word): cluelessness can be one of the biggest malice. As if that isn't systematic. Most systematic problems don't come from outright malice but carelessness.
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I'm not saying there's malice. Just like the existence of sexisn in our doesn't mean I think everybody in it is evil.
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*Our society!
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It’s what I meant as well :)
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I find the dichotomy of malice vs ignorance (to avoid the ableist term) a misplaced thing when talking about systems. Science the system, the social enterprise, can't do either malice or ignorance. It's a system!
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I agree that ignorance is not a system property, but a system can select for it or incentivize it (as per
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Absolutely. And to be charitable to Aidan he means "people in the system". I would say though that it's not relevant for system-wide criticism to know either way. I have had experiences when I'm excluded or called people out and the reactions are very telling FWIW.
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I am somewhat obsessive, I usually go back to fundamental sources and go find sibling derivative works that solve the same conceptual issues. It strikes me that like nobody really does this & they tell themselves and their field their work is new.
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I think it's something way deeper than not just doing a proper literature review.
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You mean that literature citation is driven by factors unrelated to "I want to cite all other relevant/related work"?
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