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    1. Bradley Love‏ @ProfData Feb 16
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      Yes, and the fantasy requires an entire system to maintain it, which is not conducive to actual scientific progress.

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    2. KordingLab‏ @KordingLab Feb 16
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      I see this group as being part of a deep and real intellectual struggle with the underpinnings of the field.

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    3. Bradley Love‏ @ProfData Feb 16
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      Replying to @KordingLab @twitemp1 and

      I guess a lot of these scientific challenges are longstanding and a lot of people have grappled with them over time, but the current discussion seems fairly dominated by a small group that is ridiculously interconnected and self-referring that it can be an echo chamber.

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    4. KordingLab‏ @KordingLab Feb 16
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      Replying to @ProfData @twitemp1 and

      But they massively disagree with one another! And the discussion is open. And, in a charitable reading, it would seem unsurprising that those interested in the logical underpinnings would know one another. They are a community in the same way as the V1 people are a community.

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    5. Bradley Love‏ @ProfData Feb 16
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      Replying to @KordingLab @twitemp1 and

      It's disagreement among club members though. That said, I do think most people have the good intentions and a lot of great work is being done. Perhaps it just self-organises into a strange beast.

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    6. KordingLab‏ @KordingLab Feb 16
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      Replying to @ProfData @twitemp1 and

      But upon re-reading the thread. I know relatively few of the others. So I guess I am not a full member.

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    7. Bradley Love‏ @ProfData Feb 16
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      Replying to @KordingLab @twitemp1 and

      I think I got off topic a bit with the science clique focus. I do think that's a real problem though. Some of this might be my bias to slow down and try to think things through, where the field seems addicted to the fast fix, and twitter discourse likely amplifies this tendency.

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    8. KordingLab‏ @KordingLab Feb 16
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      Replying to @ProfData @twitemp1 and

      I want to publicly declare that I do not see a fast fix and, just sometimes, I am worried if a fix can even exist. But I also want to grapple with the logic every day. And yes, I want to talk about it on twitter ;)

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    9. daniele marinazzo‏ @dan_marinazzo Feb 16
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      Replying to @KordingLab @ProfData and

      Indeed, talking even at a fast pace, and even expressing (apparently or not) conflictive or contradictory ideas is a way to remind the need for discussion, most often relevant references come out. Of course twitter discourse has its rhythm and semantics

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    10. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 16
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      Replying to @dan_marinazzo @KordingLab and

      I'm not convinced the problem is just seeking a fast fix or making mistakes at all. The problem to me is that powerful (relatively always!) people seem to make strong pronouncements (without issuing visible corrections).

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 16
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      Replying to @o_guest @dan_marinazzo and

      Importantly, some of their pronouncements are contradictions at deeper analysis. And Twitter as a medium compounds half-baked views both from the audience and from the main "players" so to speak.

      8:27 AM - 16 Feb 2019
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        2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 16
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          Replying to @o_guest @dan_marinazzo and

          A really good example that springs to mind is the case Brad is alluding to where last year (ish?) neuro Twitter went positively bonkers over an article saying "we need to think about behaviour not just neurons".

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 16
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          Replying to @o_guest @dan_marinazzo and

          Nothing wrong the article of course. But it's ahistorical to react like that as it implies it's a view never expressed previously or continuously and persistently by MANY.

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        4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 16
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          Replying to @o_guest @dan_marinazzo and

          I see these ahistorical and disjoint takes happening constantly on Twitter and in light of the fact the main conversants are seasoned and highly respected members of the field it makes me concerned. What is going on?

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        5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 16
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          Replying to @o_guest @dan_marinazzo and

          I would describe this phenomenon as an emergent hype machine that powerful people (most likely inadvertently) feed. It does a disservice because out field has a rich history and making out like we are just discovering stuff wrecks the literature.

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        6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 16
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          Replying to @o_guest @dan_marinazzo and

          It's not a month that goes by that I don't' see papers in prestigious journals that don't cite whole swathes of other bits of the same field. I don't want to name examples, but many come to mind including ones where I personally (and Brad) have called out/attention to on Twitter.

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        7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 16
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          Replying to @o_guest @dan_marinazzo and

          About "moving fast and breaking things" though, since it was basically mentioned as a stance... Let's not? Let's try to be a bit more respectful to our field and colleagues? Let's optimise that? The whole point of doing it right #OpenScience etc., is actually stopping to think.

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        8. Esther Mondragón‏ @twitemp1 Feb 16
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          Replying to @o_guest @dan_marinazzo and

          Agreed. I think we all know that Twitter is not the ideal media for having a relaxed and carefully thought discussion about anything. It promotes coarse statements and disputes, particularly among individuals with, say, too much bile.

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        9. Esther Mondragón‏ @twitemp1 Feb 16
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          Replying to @twitemp1 @o_guest and

          But it is what we have at hand and I fear we are misusing it. Perhaps we should try to minimise using it as a competition scenario and fruitless winning/loose dynamics.

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