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    1. Richard D. Morey‏ @richarddmorey Feb 14
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      Replying to @JhendersonIMB @JenniRodd @ev_fedorenko

      At many universities those stimuli would be copyrighted by the student, and hence they would still control them, share them, and license them as they wished. They could license them in a way that disallowed other uses besides scrutiny. I'm not advocating this, but merely >

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    2. Richard D. Morey‏ @richarddmorey Feb 14
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      > pointing out that there is nothing keeping students from doing with stimuli what others have been doing with stimuli and scales, etc for a while now. "Here they are, but you can't use them without our permission."

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    3. Dr Jenni Rodd‏ @JenniRodd Feb 14
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      Replying to @richarddmorey @JhendersonIMB @ev_fedorenko

      Good point! I hadn’t thought of it in this way.

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    4. John Henderson‏ @JhendersonIMB Feb 14
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      Replying to @JenniRodd @richarddmorey @ev_fedorenko

      I think that's totally fair and helpful, basically an embargo on new use. Plus even an offer to help others create their own similar stimuli. I know from experience though that not everyone agrees with this approach.

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    5. Richard D. Morey‏ @richarddmorey Feb 14
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      Replying to @JhendersonIMB @JenniRodd @ev_fedorenko

      Creators of new stimuli, scales, vignettes, and other "creative" outputs have always had this ability through copyright licensing. Some use it already; it is not a barrier to sharing. (Screenshot from Glick & Fiske, 1996, who shared their entire scale in their appendix)pic.twitter.com/BFmbrHGEYA

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    6. Richard D. Morey‏ @richarddmorey Feb 14
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      The one harder case is data, because it cannot be copyrighted/licensed so is free. Solvable now, though, with creative outputs. In fact, unless CR is signed over to the journal, authors still entirely control the stimuli/scale/vignette etc, and no one can use them anyway.

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    7. Richard D. Morey‏ @richarddmorey Feb 14
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      Replying to @richarddmorey @JhendersonIMB and

      Many people don't know this, but copyright protection is automatic. Sharing via open publication actually *helps* protection, because it is a timestamped, author-verifiable publication of the items, potentially with license terms attached.

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    8. Richard D. Morey‏ @richarddmorey Feb 14
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      Replying to @richarddmorey @JhendersonIMB and

      (caveat is that copyright for employee's work belongs to the employer by default, but many universities grant that copyright back to the creator in academic settings to avoid difficulties with publishers, etc. One would have to check their uni's policy)

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    9. Dr Jenni Rodd‏ @JenniRodd Feb 14
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      Replying to @richarddmorey @JhendersonIMB @ev_fedorenko

      But how much protection does copyright law actually give? My understanding was ‘not much’ when it comes to reusing material for non commercial academic research.

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    10. Richard D. Morey‏ @richarddmorey Feb 15
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      Replying to @JenniRodd @JhendersonIMB @ev_fedorenko

      My understanding is that there are two barriers: fair use, which is ambiguous, and reluctance to enforce. The copyright holder has to defend it, and some don’t want to look like the bad guy.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 15
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      Replying to @richarddmorey @JenniRodd and

      I'm still confused on 2 things here: 1) Are students' stimuli theirs by default while non-students' stimuli (staff's/employees') the uni's (which grants the rights back in many cases)?

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        2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 15
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          Replying to @o_guest @richarddmorey and

          2) I was under the impression that text (manuscripts) and stimuli both have the same rules, i.e., they are both automatically copyrighted and belong to somebody (uni or author(s)/creator(s)), right?

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        3. Richard D. Morey‏ @richarddmorey Feb 15
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          Replying to @o_guest @JenniRodd and

          1) depends on Uni policy - Cardiff’s is more generous to students actually because they are bound to leave, I think. 2) yes, by default, unless Uni policy treats them differently.

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        4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 15
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          Replying to @richarddmorey @JenniRodd and

          I'm fairly certain at UCL that all stuff a student creates as part of their PhD belongs to UCL (and perhaps like you say can be, or is, given back). I think there is no difference between employee and student intellectual property rights for, e.g., stimuli.

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        5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 15
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          Replying to @o_guest @richarddmorey and

          That means that it's hard to argue given intellectual property law (not y/our ethical judgment) that the stimuli should be kept private based on just the student's wishes given "their" creations actually first belong to UCL.

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        6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 15
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          Replying to @o_guest @richarddmorey and

          This makes me sceptical of the decision to keep them private or keep them copyrighted under a limiting license especially if created using public funds at a publicly funded institution.

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        7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Feb 15
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          Replying to @o_guest @richarddmorey and

          That being said, I'm not sure this can be a hard and fast rule. There must be exceptional cases where the stimuli must be kept private, I just can't think of any.

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        8. Richard D. Morey‏ @richarddmorey Feb 15
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          Replying to @o_guest @JenniRodd and

          If you use someone else’s stimuli, and they don’t give you permission to share

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        9. Tom Hartley‏ @tom_hartley Feb 15
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          Replying to @richarddmorey @o_guest and

          I have some stimuli that can't be shared publicly (because they form a memory test, small set, very difficult to produce/evaluate), so anyone who uses them has to agree not to share with anyone else. Not uncommon issues, I suspect.

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