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    1. Dr. Christina Bergmann‏ @chbergma Jan 29
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      Here's just a reminder that if you are a computational cognitive modeller and also part of any minority in the field, join this club full of amazing people: http://compcog.science/  And if you organize conferences / workshops / etc: It's also a good source for possible speakers!

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    2. ☞Cassidy‏ @phonologist Jan 30
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      Replying to @chbergma @BayesForDays

      Why does the website say "neuroatypical" as a descriptor? We have a label that isn't othering: "neurodiverse." Writing atypical implies there's a typical neurological template, when there really isn't, and it is extremely othering for neurodiverse folx

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    3. ☞Cassidy‏ @phonologist Jan 30
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      Replying to @phonologist @chbergma @BayesForDays

      Also, I support the idea of gathering community for increased visibility of minoritized scholars. However, we can't laterally reduce every category of minoritization into one. (Cont.)

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    4. ☞Cassidy‏ @phonologist Jan 30
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      Replying to @phonologist @chbergma @BayesForDays

      Intersectionality is really important, and ignoring complex identity to create a uniform "minority' category only serves to erase and make the categories "default/other." So, it would be good to allow ppl to disclose which groups they belong to if they are comfortable doing so.

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    5. Dr. Christina Bergmann‏ @chbergma Jan 30
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      Replying to @phonologist @shapkaa @BayesForDays

      Thank you, that's super constructive and helpful, I really appreciate this and we (@o_guest and I) are always eager to improve this list. I like the idea of optional disclosure, but am a bit worried whether it might create odd dynamics and feel compulsory. But why not try...

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    6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 31
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      Replying to @chbergma @shapkaa @BayesForDays

      I'm neurodiverse/atypical myself. Fixed. 😊

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    7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 31
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      Replying to @o_guest @chbergma and

      As for disclosure, I'm not sure what the legal status is of storing people's characteristics (some of which are protected legally in the UK at least) is under GDPR and on and on? And we didn't ask for emails again for that reason, so everything on that site is public already.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 31
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      Replying to @o_guest @chbergma and

      Would like to learn more though! One thing that is worrying is that some additions to the list were not done so by the people themselves (we have to assume this true as it's open to anybody adding anybody, we don't have accounts or emails attached).

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        2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 31
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          Replying to @o_guest @chbergma and

          If the only solution is to start again, delete the list in a sense and tweet asking for a do-over asking for characteristics and email addresses, maybe it's worth looking into?

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 31
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          Replying to @o_guest @chbergma and

          Another option is to return to just being "women in modeling", perhaps? But the binarism of that kind of upsets me. But it would reduce the worry that we are treating all minorities in modeling the same? FWIW I'm in every minority mentioned.

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        4. Dr Aidan Budd  🐈‏ @AidanBudd Jan 31
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          Replying to @o_guest @chbergma and

          I've looked in/around similar issues myself re: lists of people for a while. If I were to do something like this now, I would (i) consult with a lawyer specifically re GDPR (ii) start over again, and only include people who self-nominate/volunteer to be on it >

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        5. ☞Cassidy‏ @phonologist Jan 31
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          Replying to @AidanBudd @o_guest and

          This is good advice -- I really think self-vol is crucial for many reasons. One of them being tied to identity-- I've been really uncomfortable when people slap me onto lists of "women in CL/AI/etc." Despite their good intentions

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        6. Dr Aidan Budd  🐈‏ @AidanBudd Jan 31
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          Replying to @phonologist @shapkaa and

          Absolutely. I only have one public Twitter list, and I only add people to it when I have their permission to do so, for specifically this reason.

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        7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 31
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          Replying to @AidanBudd @shapkaa and

          FWIW I can take it down if you two feel this way, but I'm a bit worried as people use it to find others and offer them jobs.

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        8. Dr Aidan Budd  🐈‏ @AidanBudd Jan 31
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          Replying to @o_guest @shapkaa and

          As a non-queer man (allocishet) I don't have any valid take on this, IMHO - it's only that when talking with others about lists of this kind (e.g. around bioinformatics) that what I describe seems to be a consensus-ish around the opinions I've heard from others.

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        9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 31
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          Replying to @AidanBudd @shapkaa and

          What you describe though isn't what I've done. I didn't collect any data for each person, merely that they belong to some of the minority categories in modeling. If you think it's a problem, I respect that and I offer to take the list down.

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