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    1. Brad Wyble‏ @bradpwyble Jan 26
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      Replying to @bradpwyble @talyarkoni and

      I think we HAVE to let people make their own mistakes in science. Imposing strict rules and guidelines is always going to have a cost. The key is developing a way to find those mistakes before they become cultural traditions.

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    2. Tal Yarkoni‏ @talyarkoni Jan 26
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      Replying to @bradpwyble @IrisVanRooij and

      why do we have to let them make mistakes we could easily avoid? seriously, what's so hard about omitting inferential statistics if you're not willing to explain what was exploratory and what was confirmatory? you can do it, why can't others?

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    3. Tal Yarkoni‏ @talyarkoni Jan 26
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      Replying to @talyarkoni @bradpwyble and

      re: cultural traditions, I totally agree. but what exactly do you think is going to shift the tradition towards not reporting exploratory work as confirmatory, if not people like me pointing out why it's problematic? is it going to happen by itself?

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    4. Brad Wyble‏ @bradpwyble Jan 26
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      Replying to @talyarkoni @IrisVanRooij and

      Fine, go ahead and do it in areas that you have expertise in. But when you come into our corner and try to tell us that what we're doing is wrong and we suggest that you misunderstand our methods, maybe give it some more consideration.

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    5. Tal Yarkoni‏ @talyarkoni Jan 26
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      Replying to @bradpwyble @IrisVanRooij and

      that's fair; I promise I will do that. and in return, maybe you can give some more consideration to the possibility that some of the practices currently widespread in modeling are actually problematic from a scientific standpoint, as is true for many practices in other fields.

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    6. Tal Yarkoni‏ @talyarkoni Jan 26
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      Replying to @talyarkoni @bradpwyble and

      as always, I appreciate our discussions; I hope you find them useful too. I'm sorry we didn't come to an agreement in this case, but I think I understand your position better. gotta run now—have a good rest of the weekend!

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    7. Brad Wyble‏ @bradpwyble Jan 26
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      Replying to @talyarkoni @IrisVanRooij and

      Believe me, I have taken your concerns seriously and this debate has given me some room to flex my understanding of the philosophy of science. I feel more well grounded in understanding my own intuitions than I did two days ago. I should go as well, house won't paint itself

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    8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 27
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      Replying to @bradpwyble @talyarkoni and

      I'm surprised nobody brought up that modelers hate inferential stats (it's a really common private conversation between modelers) and they have them imposed on their work by non-modelers during peer review. So I'm hoping such conservations (if this is being read) can stop this.

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    9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 27
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      Replying to @o_guest @bradpwyble and

      Stop telling modelers to report irrelevant inferential stats in their papers that have nothing to add and only serve as a gatekeeping mechanism. We don't like it. We just do it because we're desperate to get published.

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    10. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 27
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      Replying to @o_guest @bradpwyble and

      I've never done it myself, but it's so common. We all complain about and laugh about how non-modelers think try can tell us how to evaluate our models.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 27
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      Replying to @o_guest @bradpwyble and

      As @tom_hartley has already done a great thread on how marginalised we are, I won't go into it, but seriously... Not every modeler is able to tell reviewers "no, I won't add an irrelevant ANOVA". In this thread you're talking to people who can, but ECRs need their papers, etc.

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        1. EJ Wagenmakers‏ @EJWagenmakers Jan 27
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          Replying to @o_guest @bradpwyble and

          I'm a modeler and I have never experienced pressure to report a p value in my work. I have used stuff like AIC/BIC, but not b/c of pressure from reviewers. I think the modeling community (SMP crowd) wields a lot of influence.

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