As you said it goes deeper than not listened to, actually completely misunderstood too. It's such a strange mix of bad communication. No idea why this is happening but I have to admit that it's been brewing for years.
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Replying to @o_guest @tom_hartley
I'm a little surprised I haven't seen the "argument": Rich is old so he's wrong. We've seen so much else. The issue isn't anything to do with Rich per se IMHO.
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Like I'd agree with the ideas if his 7-year-old grandson said them, the issue is that some people might be in psychology and have a different take not because of a fear or prereg (whatever that means TBH) but because there's a deep illogic there for our work.
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In my view the nature of the argument has more to do with general human failings (we fall back on "us" v "them" when we need to change people's minds), but yes, I think scientists in general sometimes fear to go too deep (philosophy)...
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... and of course we can point to the overall success of the enterprise as evidence that not thinking too deeply works. At least Physics, Chemistry and Biology can.
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... But those disciplines have well developed theories. Psychology has not really got that far, yet. Understandable for the first 100 years, not so much now.
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I'm not convinced biology has better theories than psychology to be honest.
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Replying to @o_guest
Ha! Well, you know - DNA, RNA, genes, selection etc. Admittedly many of these feel like established empirical facts already, but they started as theories. I struggle to think of comparable ideas in Psychology.
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If "DNA" is a good example in your opinion of a theory what stops "memory" from being a good one, or "neurons" or "learning"? Asking because I genuinely don't think psych is that bad for theories given these comparisons, but we can improve a lot.
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First, you have a point - and there is some sophistication about psychological ideas about memory. But I think the level of detail about mechanisms like e.g., protein transcription (which I am getting at with the DNA shorthand) are much more advanced...
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This is interesting because I think we might disagree on what a theory is. Or what a good theory is. It's kind of cool.
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Replying to @o_guest
Well, the last thing I want is another disagreement, but yes - I think it's perfectly sensible for scientists to have different objectives, goals, evaluative criteria in terms of theory.
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