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    1. Tom Hartley‏ @tom_hartley Jan 23
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      It's good to hear some of the positions aired, IMO. But I still feel that modellers (such as contributors @djnavarro, @richarddmorey, @IrisVanRooij) are being widely misunderstood. 8/n

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    2. Tom Hartley‏ @tom_hartley Jan 23
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      ... "misunderstood" is being charitable really, because it often seems as if the more nuanced points modellers make are systematically discounted. 9/n

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    3. Tom Hartley‏ @tom_hartley Jan 23
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      Rightly or wrongly it sometimes feels like a kind of ostracism, as if theorists with all their "ideas", "mechanisms" and "predictions" have something to be ashamed of. 10/n

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    4. Tom Hartley‏ @tom_hartley Jan 23
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      Modellers/theorists understand that the generation of multiple ideas and selection among them is *completely central* to the process of generating theories and hypotheses. 11/n

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    5. Tom Hartley‏ @tom_hartley Jan 23
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      In many circumstances, this is not remotely comparable to the issue of researcher degrees of freedom in the analysis of an experiment. 12/n

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    6. Tom Hartley‏ @tom_hartley Jan 23
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      .@STWorg's summary mentions Einstein, and -although this sometimes seems like hyperbole - it's worth considering whether models with a scope and generality comparable to relativity could ever arise in Psychology.... 13/n

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    7. Tom Hartley‏ @tom_hartley Jan 23
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      Who, to be frank, cares whether Einstein thought of a dozen, or two dozen alternative, wrong ideas before arriving at his key insights? It would be amazing if they popped into his head perfect and complete... 14/n

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    8. Tom Hartley‏ @tom_hartley Jan 23
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      I am not sure science would have benefitted from a record of all the half-formed thoughts that went into the process. It's hard enough to understand the final product. 15/n

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    9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 23
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      Honestly and from the bottom of my heart, thank you. This means a lot. The BS is getting ridiculous.

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    10. Tom Hartley‏ @tom_hartley Jan 23
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      Thanks. It is frustrating to see others (including yourself) who are not being properly listened to.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 23
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      As you said it goes deeper than not listened to, actually completely misunderstood too. It's such a strange mix of bad communication. No idea why this is happening but I have to admit that it's been brewing for years.

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        2. Tom Hartley‏ @tom_hartley Jan 23
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          Not enough of us. It's been brewing as long as I've been in psychology, but coming to a head as we're (rightly) in the process of reflecting on philosophy and norms...

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        2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 23
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          I'm a little surprised I haven't seen the "argument": Rich is old so he's wrong. We've seen so much else. The issue isn't anything to do with Rich per se IMHO.

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 23
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          Like I'd agree with the ideas if his 7-year-old grandson said them, the issue is that some people might be in psychology and have a different take not because of a fear or prereg (whatever that means TBH) but because there's a deep illogic there for our work.

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        4. Tom Hartley‏ @tom_hartley Jan 23
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          In my view the nature of the argument has more to do with general human failings (we fall back on "us" v "them" when we need to change people's minds), but yes, I think scientists in general sometimes fear to go too deep (philosophy)...

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        5. Tom Hartley‏ @tom_hartley Jan 23
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          ... and of course we can point to the overall success of the enterprise as evidence that not thinking too deeply works. At least Physics, Chemistry and Biology can.

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        6. Tom Hartley‏ @tom_hartley Jan 23
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          ... But those disciplines have well developed theories. Psychology has not really got that far, yet. Understandable for the first 100 years, not so much now.

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        7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 23
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          I'm not convinced biology has better theories than psychology to be honest.

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        8. Tom Hartley‏ @tom_hartley Jan 23
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          Ha! Well, you know - DNA, RNA, genes, selection etc. Admittedly many of these feel like established empirical facts already, but they started as theories. I struggle to think of comparable ideas in Psychology.

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        9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 23
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          If "DNA" is a good example in your opinion of a theory what stops "memory" from being a good one, or "neurons" or "learning"? Asking because I genuinely don't think psych is that bad for theories given these comparisons, but we can improve a lot.

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