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    1. Rachael Meager‏ @economeager Jan 21
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      what the hell? "it's fine to lie because everyone knows that people lie" WOW.

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    2. Frederick Guy‏ @FrederickGuy4 Jan 21
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      Replying to @economeager @siminevazire

      What you're calling a "lie" is in market structure terms a unique new product which, for a limited time, has a downward sloping demand curve due to delayed debunking. Honest reporting would eliminate rents in the market for ideas & thus undermine incentive for disovery.

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    3. Rachael Meager‏ @economeager Jan 21
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      Replying to @FrederickGuy4 @siminevazire

      lol

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    4. simine vazire‏ @siminevazire Jan 21
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      Replying to @economeager @FrederickGuy4

      I’m glad you wrote lol because I couldn’t tell if that was sincere (econ humor is hard to understand sometimes 😬)

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    5. Rachael Meager‏ @economeager Jan 21
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      Replying to @siminevazire @FrederickGuy4

      oh i dunno if he was joking but i loled either way

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    6. Frederick Guy‏ @FrederickGuy4 Jan 21
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      Replying to @economeager @siminevazire

      You're probably familiar with the argument that insider trading is efficiency-enhancing because it leads all knowledge to be reflected in market prices of stocks. This follows same principle, but with trade in dubious statistical artefacts instead of knowledge. And you scoff?

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    7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 21
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      Replying to @FrederickGuy4 @economeager @siminevazire

      I'm so confused. Where did Rich say that it's OK to lie or OK to do something akin to lying?

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    8. simine vazire‏ @siminevazire Jan 21
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      Replying to @o_guest @FrederickGuy4 @economeager

      “pretends that the new theory predicted the results and thereby confirms it” is arguably in the neighborhood of lying.

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    9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 21
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      But you think he says it's OK? Based on this, I guess? "What is the harm?" Not sure asking what the harm is the same as saying it's 100% OK.

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    10. simine vazire‏ @siminevazire Jan 21
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      Replying to @o_guest @FrederickGuy4 @economeager

      Interesting, yeah, I read it as he thinks it’s not a problem. Would be good to find out what he meant.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 21
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      Replying to @siminevazire @FrederickGuy4 @economeager

      He meant IMHO to probe the assumptions inherent in assuming that pre-reg solves what (you all think) it solves for social/personality for the rest of psych and science generally.

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        2. Rachael Meager‏ @economeager Jan 21
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          Replying to @o_guest @siminevazire @FrederickGuy4

          maybe you know this guy and so you have insider information that changes you how read this passage. but to an outsider (I'm an applied statistican / economist) it sounds pretty bad.

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 21
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          Replying to @economeager @siminevazire @FrederickGuy4

          "Bad" to me means a value judgement. So I take it you think him publishing his views will affect the field of psych generally negatively? But it's how we can all as a field understand each other. If he doesn't type out what he thinks, what other way do we have to get started?

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        4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 21
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          Replying to @o_guest @economeager and

          And yes, of course I know Rich Shiffrin. His views will represent many in the math psych community.

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        5. Brad Wyble‏ @bradpwyble Jan 21
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          Replying to @o_guest @economeager and

          Same here, Rich is a well known figure in the field. I read his remarks as saying that there is an economy of trust in science and this seems obviously true. Pre-reg will not eliminate this economy either.

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        6. Rachael Meager‏ @economeager Jan 21
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          Replying to @bradpwyble @o_guest and

          pre-registrations aren't intended to eliminate that economy, they are intended to help it function better. sort of like how regulating the rest of the economy is supposed to work too!

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        7. Brad Wyble‏ @bradpwyble Jan 21
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          Replying to @economeager @o_guest and

          Depends on your definition of better though. Increased thresholds for signal detection reduce the hit rate as well as reducing false alarms. That's one of Rich's points IIRC.

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        8. Frederick Guy‏ @FrederickGuy4 Jan 21
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          Replying to @bradpwyble @economeager and

          No reason for it to reduce hit rate. It just means your serendipitous "hit" isn't allowed to masquerade as a hypothesis test or confidence interval.

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        9. Frederick Guy‏ @FrederickGuy4 Jan 21
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          I joined this thread with a joke, but seeing some earnest defenders of Shiffrin on here, I read his Psychonomic Society blog. And, I have to say, I find it appalling. I would say slippery.

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