Trying and struggling to understand this perspective. I’ve watched longer talks by Shiffrin and still don’t get it. https://featuredcontent.psychonomic.org/complexity-of-science-v-psprereg/ …pic.twitter.com/XAADkgdIg0
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Interesting, yeah, I read it as he thinks it’s not a problem. Would be good to find out what he meant.
He meant IMHO to probe the assumptions inherent in assuming that pre-reg solves what (you all think) it solves for social/personality for the rest of psych and science generally.
maybe you know this guy and so you have insider information that changes you how read this passage. but to an outsider (I'm an applied statistican / economist) it sounds pretty bad.
"Bad" to me means a value judgement. So I take it you think him publishing his views will affect the field of psych generally negatively? But it's how we can all as a field understand each other. If he doesn't type out what he thinks, what other way do we have to get started?
And yes, of course I know Rich Shiffrin. His views will represent many in the math psych community.
Same here, Rich is a well known figure in the field. I read his remarks as saying that there is an economy of trust in science and this seems obviously true. Pre-reg will not eliminate this economy either.
pre-registrations aren't intended to eliminate that economy, they are intended to help it function better. sort of like how regulating the rest of the economy is supposed to work too!
Depends on your definition of better though. Increased thresholds for signal detection reduce the hit rate as well as reducing false alarms. That's one of Rich's points IIRC.
asking "what's the harm?" and then detailing reasons why he thinks there's no harm is a rhetorical device not a Q&A session
He also says" "Of course those who wish to use pre-registration should be free to do so"...
yet the pre-registrations "would likely stifle progress", something we usually consider bad
He thinks that, but he also lets you all who want to use pre-reg use it. What's the problem? Do his thoughts have to be literally identical to yours? Obviously not.
pre-registration has some great benefits as a unilateral decision but would have other effects if adopted as standard/mandatory. (Also do you respond to all debate and disagreement as if pushing back against you is somehow an an unreasonable demand for groupthink?)
No, only when I feel like there is a bit of a weirdness.
ok look i dont know what things are like in your field but in my field nobody can stop anyone doing pre-reg so the idea that some powerful guy would "let me" do pre-reg is meaningless, our battle is over whether to require it for everyone and if so how
It would not make sense (to me) to require it for my work.
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