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    1. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij Jan 16
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      Iris van Rooij Retweeted Richard D. Morey

      Some in this conversation think @richarddmorey is worried abt possible future that's very unlikely. I don't understand. I think the concerns are reasonable & we *already* have a scientific culture that is inflexible in how we think/talk about good (empirical) research. #psprereghttps://twitter.com/richarddmorey/status/1085552009623887874 …

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      Richard D. Morey @richarddmorey
      Replying to @chrisdc77 @ingorohlfing and 2 others
      It isn't that the *pre-registration process* is a problem; I don't have a problem with pre-registration, all other things being equal (and it has been useful to me in particular situations). I worry about a *scientific culture* that rewards a particular kind of inflexibility, >
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    2. EJ Wagenmakers‏ @EJWagenmakers Jan 16
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij @richarddmorey

      Suppose that people constantly get soaked by rain. Then, somebody invents the umbrella. A few people start using it, and it seems to work. Now you can complain that the umbrella isn't perfect in particular ways. But it sure is better than being soaking wet.

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    3. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij Jan 17
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      Replying to @EJWagenmakers @richarddmorey

      I do not think this is the point. The point is about culture: How umbrella advocates (UA) think everyone should use umbrellas, even when other researchers (OR) are inside a building and dry. They have a roof and doing great work on their computers.

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    4. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij Jan 17
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij @EJWagenmakers @richarddmorey

      OR say they’re fine without umbrellas for much of their work. Umbrellas make sense when go outside & it is raining. But UA better not push OR to go outside just so they can use umbrellas or push them to use umbrellas inside just in case, ...

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    5. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij Jan 17
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij @EJWagenmakers @richarddmorey

      ... or say that if OR do not go in an umbrella-needed situation then they are not doing good science. (Btw, I do not think this culture problem is specific to preregistration, but pervades psych science and open science also for other types of tools.)

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    6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 17
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij @EJWagenmakers @richarddmorey

      The only way IMHO the umbrella metaphor has any value here is if you also include the fact the "umbrella" is causing a high incidence of injuries to other people while also keeping the user dry.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 17
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      Replying to @o_guest @IrisVanRooij and

      To wit, something that might work well for one person might not for others. We live in a world where things we do to improve our side of things has to be balanced against how it affects others.

      3:49 AM - 17 Jan 2019
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        2. EJ Wagenmakers‏ @EJWagenmakers Jan 17
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          Replying to @o_guest @IrisVanRooij @richarddmorey

          Sure. But if you present a p-value it only has meaning in a confirmatory setting. Exploratory research introduces a multiple comparisons problem with the number of comparisons unknown. And I believe there are problems for Bayesians too.

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 17
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          Replying to @EJWagenmakers @IrisVanRooij @richarddmorey

          I don't really do that kind of research, so I can't really comment on it in neither good faith nor with the required practical experience. I don't run analyses with p-values nor with Bayes factors, for example.

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        4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 17
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          Replying to @o_guest @EJWagenmakers and

          While I have opinions (of course), I also don't think it's my place to tell you how do your science. I am not a big fan of prescriptivism — in most cases, I think it's misplaced. And I don't think science is a monolith.

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        5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 17
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          Replying to @o_guest @EJWagenmakers and

          I know you haven't said this here yourself, but I wanted to super clarify where I am coming from. I think it's a tricky situation where there is a culture clash on quite a few different levels.

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        6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 17
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          Replying to @o_guest @EJWagenmakers and

          I'm both a comp modeller (who doesn't care — on some level — what stats people do) and I do not believe in telling people how to do their science generally (so I don't think it's useful to dictate in a very rigidi way to others how to do stuff).

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        7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 17
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          Replying to @o_guest @EJWagenmakers and

          I'm way more interested in stopping the prescriptivist culture, than I am in p-values or BFs. I feel like people telling others how to do research that the former don't even do, and are not experts in, is a strange and perhaps slippery slope.

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        8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 17
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          Replying to @o_guest @EJWagenmakers and

          Hope that helps clarify my position. I think yours is that you are very interested in having a "what methods are appropriate" debate for the stats people use on their empirical data. And I don't really have any skin in that game.

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