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    1. Blake Richards‏ @tyrell_turing Jan 13
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      I would actually vote a different option: when it’s published in a journal. It’s clear to me that an open review signed by a well-known scientist could impact new reviewers in a manner that is not necessarily fair. But, once published, all criticisms should be aired openly.

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    2. Tal Linzen‏ @tallinzen Jan 13
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      That's the only good argument I've seen against open peer review! Do you think that anonymous open reviews à la ICLR address this concern? I.e. how much of it is about the fact that the review is signed by a prominent scientist?

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    3. Blake Richards‏ @tyrell_turing Jan 13
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      Yes, totally, the ICLR model addresses my concerns here. If the open review is anonymous, then the criticisms can stand on their own merit.

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    4. Brad Wyble‏ @bradpwyble Jan 13
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      Replying to @tyrell_turing @tallinzen @KriegeskorteLab

      Sure but let's not imagine that it is always easy to hide one's identity, particularly for a highly prominent person, a lengthy review and a very contentious issue.

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    5. Kriegeskorte Lab‏ @KriegeskorteLab Jan 13
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      anonymous comments should always be possible (e.g. in a preprint server's commenting system). but people, of course, also need to be free to blog and write papers, where they sign as the author. i hope we can just learn to be civil and stand by our scientific judgments.

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    6. Blake Richards‏ @tyrell_turing Jan 13
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      I agree, Niko, but you can abide by the principle of ppl being free to openly publish their criticisms in their name (on a blog, say) once an art. is published. I would argue that first reviewers have a duty not to influence new reviewers except via ideas (e.g. not credentials).

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    7. Blake Richards‏ @tyrell_turing Jan 13
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      Replying to @andpru @KriegeskorteLab and

      I don’t know, good Q!

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    8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 13
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      Replying to @tyrell_turing @andpru and

      Poisoning the well as @nathanieldaw mentioned is a real issue. That's why AFAIC NeurIPS and other conferences have a specific standard with blinding, replies from authors, and then de-anonymising when a paper is accepted.

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    9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 13
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      Replying to @o_guest @tyrell_turing and

      Standards and explicit expectations are needed for open review just like we have standards for open data, open access, open source, etc. Otherwise it's chaos.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 13
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      Replying to @o_guest @tyrell_turing and

      During a compsci conference submission for example, their system deems the existence of a preprint irrelevant. The article is still blinded and sent through the standardised system for review.

      3:46 PM - 13 Jan 2019
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        2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 13
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          Replying to @o_guest @tyrell_turing and

          In neuro it's journals not conferences, and in this case a closed journal, which doesn't have an explicit procedure like this to tell one what to do if there is a preprint, I guess... For sure, it wasn't designed to deal with what Niko did at all.

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 13
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          Replying to @o_guest @tyrell_turing and

          So it stands to reason more consent (and community-wide dialogue) should have been sought before, as others have said, the well became poisoned. I wonder what others who Niko blogged about feel...

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        4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 13
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          Replying to @o_guest @tyrell_turing and

          Another question that springs to mind is if one is radically opposed to closed journals what should they do? Accepting to review for closed journals is a complex issue if you disagree with their system. And, as seen here, mixing and matching causes harm to ECRs and generally.

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