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    1. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij Jan 12
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      I am not sure, did not read in depth, but possibly the argument is slightly different. It seems to me (on very quick scan) that Bird seems to argue not from QRPs, but from the source of hypotheses (theory or not, e.g.):

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    2. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij Jan 12
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij @EJWagenmakers and

      "Hypotheses in clinical medicine and in psychology, as well as in other sciences, may come from sources other than a basic theory. Hypotheses may be suggested by the results of observational studies or even by unsystematic observations or the researcher’s intuition." >>

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    3. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij Jan 12
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij @EJWagenmakers and

      "These are perfectly legitimate means of generating hypotheses. On the other hand, they are not means of generating hypotheses that give those hypotheses a high probability of truth. Indeed, some sources seem clearly liable to produce false hypotheses."

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    4. EJ Wagenmakers‏ @EJWagenmakers Jan 12
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij @ukrepro @giosuebaggio

      Ioannidis does not make finer distinctions but does argue that many hypotheses that are put to the test are a priori unlikely.

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    5. Leo Tiokhin‏ @LeoTiokhin Jan 12
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      Replying to @EJWagenmakers @IrisVanRooij and

      same do @psmaldino and @rlmcelreath here: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0136088 …. And Wilson and Wixted here: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/2515245918767122 ….

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    6. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij Jan 12
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      Replying to @LeoTiokhin @EJWagenmakers and

      Thanks. I think Bird tries to improve upon the argument of Ioannidis: There is a footnote that reads: "For this reason we cannot use the conclusion of Ioannidis ([2005b]), that most published research findings (in biomedicine) are false, ..."

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    7. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij Jan 12
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij @EJWagenmakers and

      "... since he uses similar arguments to reach that conclusion. Indeed, Goodman and Greenland ([2007]) accuse Ioannidis of circular reasoning."

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    8. Leo Tiokhin‏ @LeoTiokhin Jan 13
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij @EJWagenmakers and

      I may need to read it more carefully, but PPV (ala Ioannidis) and PPRV (the paper you linked to) seem identical, and some qual. conclusions (increase prior probability; decrease alpha) to increase prob published finding true are identical also. Again, see Mcelreath/Smaldino Model

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    9. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 13
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      Replying to @LeoTiokhin @IrisVanRooij and

      Not sure it's a problem to have a few similar papers is it? I mean that's kind of the whole point of disseminating ideas across related fields, right?

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    10. Leo Tiokhin‏ @LeoTiokhin Jan 13
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      Replying to @o_guest @IrisVanRooij and

      Only a problem if* one tries to pass off some idea as novel/fundamentally different than another when it's in fact entirely derivative.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 13
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      Replying to @LeoTiokhin @IrisVanRooij and

      Did that happen here?

      3:19 AM - 13 Jan 2019
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        1. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij Jan 13
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          Replying to @o_guest @EJWagenmakers and

          Iris van Rooij Retweeted Iris van Rooij

          Not sure. I did note this (see also EJ's response):https://twitter.com/IrisVanRooij/status/1084212219657838604 …

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          Iris van Rooij @IrisVanRooij
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          I am not sure, did not read in depth, but possibly the argument is slightly different. It seems to me (on very quick scan) that Bird seems to argue not from QRPs, but from the source of hypotheses (theory or not, e.g.):
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