In fact, I often feel in those discussions nobody even wants to talk about it when I bring it up. I see only the same names, again and again. This is worrying because the same people talking about this stuff over and over is probably not going to make as fruitful or useful dialog
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as something more inclusive. If we're trying to move to a better system, surely we need to check it's genuinely better & be inclusive of less powerful voices? Professors probably can create/move to a new system without talking to their mentees, but doesn't that defeat the point?
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There's inherent value in listening to people who are not professors, even if only 1% (or fewer) of us will get a permanent academic job.
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To be clear, hypothetical questions/scenaria, imagining how one would behave or feel, in my mind, carry little weight. Listen to those who've been there and done it. Experience is important. Modelling ourselves in unexperienced situations is hard. Trust me, I'm a modeller.
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Oh, and framing issues which clearly have deeper repercussions (others have mentioned them) as a Great Man Theory style Him VS Him (exclusively) is a massive rhetorical disservice to the field and the dialogue. Open review is an issue that affects us all, not 2 people.
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This also applies to framing the issue exclusively as "twitter drama". We know joking about issues tends to undermine taking them seriously. I think open review is a serious issue and what better time to actually think deeply about it then when it's being discussed?
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Also, I'd like to clarify that the picture in private (not open!), over emails, DMs, etc., is apparently one with voices that cohere with what I just expressed. As always the Twitter debate is much more one-sided. Powerful voices dominate when openness goes unchecked.
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It's deeply disappointing.

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Agreed. I see little to no discussion on this as well. When it is brought up, it's met with 1) no engagement, 2) refutation by dismissal, or 3) hypothetical scenarios.
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Yes!! And as I added at the end of my OP thread, jokes/mockery.
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And what about evidence that women fare better when gender is concealed from reviewers/assessors/employers? Surprised there isn’t more discussion of reform in that direction. Open review may solve some problems but not all. No easy answers but nuanced discussion would be good.
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As I say lower down, nobody wants to have this discussion.
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Hi, thanks
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Hi! You're welcome.
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