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    Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 11
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    I've always been uncomfortable about open review as it is discussed on Twitter. The discussion never seems to consider ECRs' and others' less privileged voices and how to stop them being drowned out.

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      2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 11
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        In fact, I often feel in those discussions nobody even wants to talk about it when I bring it up. I see only the same names, again and again. This is worrying because the same people talking about this stuff over and over is probably not going to make as fruitful or useful dialog

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      3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 11
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        as something more inclusive. If we're trying to move to a better system, surely we need to check it's genuinely better & be inclusive of less powerful voices? Professors probably can create/move to a new system without talking to their mentees, but doesn't that defeat the point?

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      4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 11
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        There's inherent value in listening to people who are not professors, even if only 1% (or fewer) of us will get a permanent academic job.

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      5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 11
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        To be clear, hypothetical questions/scenaria, imagining how one would behave or feel, in my mind, carry little weight. Listen to those who've been there and done it. Experience is important. Modelling ourselves in unexperienced situations is hard. Trust me, I'm a modeller. 😂

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      6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 11
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        Oh, and framing issues which clearly have deeper repercussions (others have mentioned them) as a Great Man Theory style Him VS Him (exclusively) is a massive rhetorical disservice to the field and the dialogue. Open review is an issue that affects us all, not 2 people.

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      7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 11
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        This also applies to framing the issue exclusively as "twitter drama". We know joking about issues tends to undermine taking them seriously. I think open review is a serious issue and what better time to actually think deeply about it then when it's being discussed?

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      8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 11
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        Also, I'd like to clarify that the picture in private (not open!), over emails, DMs, etc., is apparently one with voices that cohere with what I just expressed. As always the Twitter debate is much more one-sided. Powerful voices dominate when openness goes unchecked.

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      2. Lisa Buckley, PhD  🦃 🐾 🐾‏ @Lisavipes Jan 11
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        Replying to @o_guest

        THIS.

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      3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 11
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        It's deeply disappointing. 😔

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      4. Lisa Buckley, PhD  🦃 🐾 🐾‏ @Lisavipes Jan 11
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        Agreed. I see little to no discussion on this as well. When it is brought up, it's met with 1) no engagement, 2) refutation by dismissal, or 3) hypothetical scenarios.

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      5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 11
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        Replying to @Lisavipes

        Yes!! And as I added at the end of my OP thread, jokes/mockery.

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      2. Dr Jo Arciuli‏ @JArciuli Jan 11
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        And what about evidence that women fare better when gender is concealed from reviewers/assessors/employers? Surprised there isn’t more discussion of reform in that direction. Open review may solve some problems but not all. No easy answers but nuanced discussion would be good.

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      3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 11
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        Replying to @JArciuli

        As I say lower down, nobody wants to have this discussion. 😔

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      2. Jim Burgett‏ @jimburgett2 Jan 11
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        Hi, thanks

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      3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 11
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        Replying to @jimburgett2 @Lisavipes

        Hi! You're welcome.

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