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    1. Vishnu Sreekumar‏ @vishnusreekr Jan 9
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      Replying to @o_guest @esdalmaijer and

      That's unfortunate but wouldn't you place the blame on reviewers who are not doing their job in this case?

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    2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 9
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      Replying to @vishnusreekr @esdalmaijer and

      Ascribing blame to individuals is a pointless exercise really and not what I was intending on emphasising. The real blame is systemic. The field, as any human grouping, can turn against somebody for reasons outside "how good is the science".

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    3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 9
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      Replying to @o_guest @vishnusreekr and

      Basically, at the end of the day, there is a system for leaving comments on preprint servers, it should be used. Because it is truly open: preserves context; allows authors to reply/engage in dialogue with criticism; and improve their manuscript.

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    4. Tal Yarkoni‏ @talyarkoni Jan 9
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      Replying to @o_guest @vishnusreekr and

      the irony of this position is it sounds a lot like the one people use to argue against preprints and PPPR: "there is a system for peer review, and it works. people shouldn't be able to unilaterally circumvent that with open reviews."

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    5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 9
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      Replying to @talyarkoni @vishnusreekr and

      I don't think the system works. I think it's biased.

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    6. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 9
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      Replying to @o_guest @talyarkoni and

      In fact my opinion is that this blog post highlights exactly how all these systems don't work and that the only way to be constructive is to be actually open. Context is easily lost online (context collapse) and this was a good example to show that.

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    7. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 9
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      Replying to @o_guest @talyarkoni and

      Certain media and timings promote more or less context information. A model like eLife's is pretty good. Ultimately, the point is that people will game the system no matter what, but a better system is possible, e.g., eLife.

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    8. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 9
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      Replying to @o_guest @talyarkoni and

      It's ironic you think that I and @ProfData who publish preprints are/can be against preprints because we pointed out how systems which contain them can be biased. Such criticism is exactly what is useful for progress.

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    9. Tal Yarkoni‏ @talyarkoni Jan 9
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      Replying to @o_guest @vishnusreekr and

      that was meant as a reductio ad absurdum. you *say* you want openness, but you're actually arguing for a (different kind of) gatekeeping model

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    10. Tal Yarkoni‏ @talyarkoni Jan 9
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      Replying to @talyarkoni @o_guest and

      open means you make things available, and people can comment on them and use them however they like. it doesn't mean "it's a preprint, but you still need to leave your comments on the same page as the original, and you can only post at certain times that are convenient for me"

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 10
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      Replying to @talyarkoni @vishnusreekr and

      I'm not arguing for something prescriptive like you claim. I'm giving my opinion on something that happened, proposing why it went the way it did.

      12:17 AM - 10 Jan 2019
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        2. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 10
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          Replying to @o_guest @talyarkoni and

          You put words in quotes as if I said them (I haven't), assume I've a prescriptive outlook (nope), but you don't understand my perspective (you said it yourself). TBH we can't disagree when you think I'm coming from an authoritative/normative perspective... 🤷🏻‍♀️

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        3. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 10
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          Replying to @o_guest @talyarkoni and

          I know what many in the specific psychology/neuroscience community think about open science. And yes, we do disagree, esp on issues of power dynamics. I'm for open science, but I've expressed on Twitter very often disagreement with their specific ideology within open science.

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        4. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest Jan 10
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          Replying to @o_guest @talyarkoni and

          I have zero interest going over it again because it's always the same pattern of themes and counte-themes. My tweets on this issue, of how open science could be done to be (in my opinion) more open, are out there and Twitter has an advanced search feature if you're interested.

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