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    1. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 17 Dec 2018
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      Dutch male academics who feel they are discriminated against by stimulating the appointment of female professors, but who also address women as "Miss" and ask them to justify themselves when tweeting or speaking in English ...pic.twitter.com/mJ68Vtv58c

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    2. Paul Hopwood‏ @AcousticS_IN_UK 17 Dec 2018
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      I feel I'm missing something.. I was always taught to address women as miss rather than assume they're married?

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    3. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 17 Dec 2018
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      Not sure how to respond to this.

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    4. Paul Hopwood‏ @AcousticS_IN_UK 17 Dec 2018
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      I can't address the Dutch/English points it's not in my frame of reference but I would call an unknown woman miss until she says call me x or actually its mrs.

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    5. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 17 Dec 2018
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      It is insulting IMHO.

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    6. Paul Hopwood‏ @AcousticS_IN_UK 17 Dec 2018
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij @AndrewR_Physics

      OK. That's fine, I got that from your original tweet.. but how should I correctly address you as an unknown female? Because I didn't realise it was problematic

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    7. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 17 Dec 2018
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      I am a woman. Calling me ‘a female’ feels insulting too. I don’t think you mean to insult me, so I’m just saying it, because you seem to indicate that you want to understand. As for how to address me:

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    8. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 17 Dec 2018
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      Can call me Iris, or if you prefer title call me Dr. van Rooij. If gendered title necessary try to not distinguish based on marital status. You wouldn’t for men, right? So use Ms. (in Dutch ’mevrouw’, not ‘mejuffrouw’) But honestly, preferably don’t use it for me if not needed.

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      Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 17 Dec 2018
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      Replying to @IrisVanRooij @AcousticS_IN_UK @AndrewR_Physics

      Wait, why can't you use Ms? Why Miss?

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        2. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 17 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @o_guest @AcousticS_IN_UK @AndrewR_Physics

          You are asking @AcousticS_IN_UK right?

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        2. Dr Andrew Robinson‏ @AndrewR_Physics 17 Dec 2018
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          You can. In fact, you should use Ms, these days. British men used to be taught that "Miss" was the default (I am old!). I've been out of the UK, for many years, so I'm not sure what is customary now.

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        3. Dr Andrew Robinson‏ @AndrewR_Physics 17 Dec 2018
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          I didn't find out that this didn't follow in other European languages until I moved to Germany. Adult women are "Frau", not "Fräulein". WE WERE NOT TAUGHT THIS IN SCHOOL. 🙄 I took several years of German in school!

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        4. Paul Hopwood‏ @AcousticS_IN_UK 17 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @AndrewR_Physics @o_guest @IrisVanRooij

          Equally in French saying garçon.. We're told it means waiter as opposed to slightly patronising 'boy'

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        5. Olivia Guest | Ολίβια Γκεστ‏ @o_guest 17 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @AcousticS_IN_UK @AndrewR_Physics @IrisVanRooij

          Well, there you go. Iris is teaching you something now. Enjoy it.

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        6. Iris van Rooij‏ @IrisVanRooij 17 Dec 2018
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          Iris van Rooij Retweeted Iris van Rooij

          It is true, ‘Mejuffrouw’ in Dutch is *really* patronizing. Here was the Dutch version of the OP:https://twitter.com/irisvanrooij/status/1074735019627819014?s=21 …

          Iris van Rooij added,

          Iris van Rooij @IrisVanRooij
          Nederlandse mannelijke academici die vinden dat ze gediscrimineerd worden door stimulatie van aanstellingen van vrouwelijke hoogleraren, maar ook vrouwen aanspreken als "Mejuffrouw" en hen vragen om verantwoording af te leggen voor tweeten of spreken in het Engels ... pic.twitter.com/oo6jb3ejei
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        7. Paul Hopwood‏ @AcousticS_IN_UK 17 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @IrisVanRooij @o_guest @AndrewR_Physics

          Ok. That I both don't understand but do understand from your earlier tweet..

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