no firm conclusion to this tweet, but: there's something in here about several different communities of practice, including active coders, data scientist/scripters + learners, teachers, etc.
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Replying to @ctitusbrown @o_guest and
I strongly agree with the conclusion that isn't in this tweet ;) I also think a lot of consternation around notebooks in pedagogy is that they're amazing for learning a new package or trick or visualization >>
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Replying to @fixedbydrift @ctitusbrown and
<< _when you're already an experienced programmer in the first place_ From what I've observed, just operating successfully in the jupyter environment seems to require pretty high cognitive overhead and comfort with python (or whatever language)
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Replying to @fixedbydrift @ctitusbrown and
Just installing it seems to be hard for newbies especially if they've accidentally mixed and matched between conda, pipt, etc.
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Replying to @o_guest @fixedbydrift and
I started hating them when I tried to help my mother get Jupyter working on her Windows PC for an online course while I was up visiting. Both of us are extremely experienced coders and I also had experience setting up Jupyter on Linux and it was a total mess.
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Replying to @owainkenway @o_guest and
If you compare this to (sorry) the extremely positive experience she had installing Octave for her most recent course, it’s clear Jupyter has a problem.
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Replying to @owainkenway @fixedbydrift and
Yup, people seem to forget that is true even for experts! I basically cry with frustration when it's that time of year when I have to update CUDA and TensorFlow. It *only* takes like a whole day...
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Replying to @o_guest @owainkenway and
And sadly this is such a norm that I help PhD students in my lab to learn to deal with it, as obviously otherwise they will get stuck and I can't spend a day doing it for them either.
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Replying to @o_guest @owainkenway and
They come in all naive (as the world should be) like "but the docs say X". And I'm like, "everybody is making a mess, it's probably wrong"!
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Replying to @o_guest @fixedbydrift and
Also “that was true when the docs were written, but most of the packages have been ‘improved’ and so it’s no longer true”
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That's so common, I can link you to one from yesterday! https://github.com/gunthercox/ChatterBot/issues/1516 …
Also so common I just do PRs for like 1 line of code, since I know it won't happen if I don't do it. 
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